Angel_of_Blood Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 So we have the title and author of Book 4. Saturnine, but none other than Dan Abnett! They've pretty much confirmed that he will be writing the final novel as well. Did not for one moment expect we would get two Siege novels from Abnett. I had presumed it would be French and Hayley perhaps. So I am extremely excited by this news. Question is...what is it going to be about? On the face of it, got to assume it's about the Saturnine Fleet, which will be joined by Su Kassen and the Phalanx right? Are we also going to see more of the Knights Errant though, along with the disappearance of Titan? I'd thought that door was closed actually, left to be one of those threads they didn't follow any further as we vaguely knew the result. DarKnight, Brother Lunkhead and aa.logan 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
point_Zer0 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I'm extremely hyped about him writing the book and also about Alpha legion being there. Can't wait for it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Yeah, very excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa.logan Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I’m no classicist, but isn’t there a Lupercalia/Saturnalia overlap? Deep themes and symbolism perhaps? Or am I just overthinking everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 My guess (and this is trully just wild speculation), is that one of the "surprises" the SoT author teams came up with is a false win for the Loyalists halfway through the series; they've beaten back x waves of traitors, had a smoke, and think that a chance of victory is near and (Spoiler from The Lost and the Damned) the Loyalist fleets were sent to the edge of the Sol system as a contingency escape option for Big E so they try some moves to end it....but than y kept in reserve or such gets pulled into the fight or turns out Guilliman is way further away than believed, or the news of how close Guilliman was to arriving proved to be a ruse all part of Horus' plan and so stage 3 of the Siege--the truly desperate part--begins. #speculation I'm kinda thinking LOTR: The Return of the King where the Rohirrim show up and have an epic charge, only to slowly turn around see the oliphants bearing down on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) Intriguing title. No Abnett fan but obviously very interested to see what happens here! I’m no classicist, but isn’t there a Lupercalia/Saturnalia overlap?Deep themes and symbolism perhaps? Or am I just overthinking everything? No overlap between the two at all, so probably overthinking. They were both Roman festivals but beyond that have virtually nothing in common. You could equate the Emperor with Saturn (Kronos) and Horus with Jupiter (Zeus), the son come to overthrow the father, but that doesn't have any inherent connection with Lupercal/Lupercalia at all, and Saturn-related terminology has been used in the context of the Sol system innumerable times since the FW Heresy series started Edited November 10, 2019 by Marshal Loss aa.logan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Saturnine also means dark, gloomy, etc. So it might be a shift from the conventional siege to the daemonic forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I hope they'll be something to do with Ollanius Poius and his team's adventure as they cut their way to Terra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It will most assuredly bring Oll into the Siege arc. We know he's headed there, and it'd make no sense for somebody else to touch him for really the first time, or for Abnett to just pop him out in the final novel where he'll seemingly have a role to play. He has to enter the stage in Saturnine. Ubiquitous1984 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 A very pleasant surprise! I think Abnett would've been pretty much the last one I'd expect to be doing one of the double-duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogun Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I may be mis-remembering but I seem to recall a Saturnine Gate being mentioned way back, either early in the series or perhaps even before. Can't for the life of me remember where though and my books are in a different country at present. Taken aback but delighted that he's doing two! On the other hand, it probably shouldn't be too surprising. Abnett used to pump out work nearly as fast as Hayley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Indeed, pleasantly surprised Annett is doing two Really hope he gives us something special with the Oll/time-traveling Perpetual arc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) I’m interested in the timeline of Gavs book. I imagine each one will decrease in the amount of time it covers. We’re two books in and already halfway through April. If we move into June/July, that would mean Saturnine and the last four books all take place in six months. Edited November 11, 2019 by Marshal Rohr RedFurioso 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I’m interested in the timeline of Gavs book. I imagine each one will decrease in the amount of time it covers. We’re two books in and already halfway through April. If we move into June/July, that would mean Saturnine and the last four books all take place in six months. Yeah, I assume some will either take less time or could even take place concurrently: if Saturnine shifts us away from Terra itself and looks at some of the conflicts going on in the wider Solar arena, it could take place (partially or even fully) alongside another book. Also, given what we see of the Scars in Lost and the Damned, I'm assuming that Chris Wraight's book will focus on them and perhaps the conflicts going on across Terra away from the Palace, maybe with Jaghatai riding back into that at the end. Again, that could have some chronological overlap with others. On this note, is there any detail in existing lore about when exactly the conflict ends? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Sanguinala and the Feast of the Emperor’s Ascension are towards December. Ghazghkull returns to Armageddon on the Feast of the Emperor’s Ascension and it’s in the 8/900 segments of the original Calendar. Tymell 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 So either the Siege that Horus wants to finish as quickly as inhumanly possible goes for 10 months or so, or there's some shifting of the dates between the inspiring event and the popularly-celebrated holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Hasn't it stretched nearly a year going by Forgeworld timelines anyway? It wasn't a swift affair by any reckoning, and Horus has been stalling here and there already. The whole void shield gambit was a last moment decision as well, at the very end of the Siege. Besides, a siege takes time, otherwise we could just call it the Battle of Terra, which would be far less cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Hasn't it stretched nearly a year going by Forgeworld timelines anyway? It wasn't a swift affair by any reckoning, and Horus has been stalling here and there already. The whole void shield gambit was a last moment decision as well, at the very end of the Siege. Besides, a siege takes time, otherwise we could just call it the Battle of Terra, which would be far less cool. I feel the terms Siege of Terra and the Battle of Terra have been freely interchangeable over the years at this point anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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