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Siege of Terra - Saturnine by Dan Abnett


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Is anyone else surprised to hear that Dan Abnett is writing the fourth book in the Siege of Terra series? I would have bet that he would have written the last book since he started the Horus Heresy series. He is only writing one book in the series, right? If I remember correctly, Guy Haley is writing two books in the series and everyone else is writing one book each. Has the Black Library started who will be writing the last book?

 

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He’s writing two.

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He’s writing two.

That makes sense. I incorrectly remembered that Haley was writing two books. 



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Dan Abnett better be writing the last book. He started this incarnation of the Heresy, he should be the one to end it.
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I believe A D-B has said pretty definitively, that Abnett’s writing the last book, yeah.
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He’s writing two.

That makes sense. I incorrectly remembered that Haley was writing two books. 

 

There’s 6 authors and 8 books, so two are writing two. Haley is a good bet for the other, seeing how quick he writes. I hope it’s John French though. 


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I just think there's something amusingly ironic that an author notorious for his terrible, rushed endings should close out the series.

The Emperor will kill Horus, then on the next, last page he'll be interred on the Throne and that will be that.

I'm exaggerating and I say this as somebody who puts Abnett as his second favourite Black Library author (behind Peter Fehervari), but hey.

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He is probably using Saturnine to set up the last book separate from the others so he doesn’t have to rush the end.

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Yeah im hoping the others help him with the ending, hes not been good at them for a while... Not gonna complain about two Abnett books in the series though! 

The title is an odd one though, maybe the Solar war aint over yet? 



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I have faith Abnett will do it justice. I’m sure it is very important to him that it is done right and he will do his best to not allow his other work interfere. Super happy he’s doing 2 books.
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Where does this "Abnett cannot write endings" urban myth come from. Without doubt he rushed/bumbled the ending of Unremembered Empire and it could be argued the ending of Titanicus really needed another 20-30 pages BUT that us just two books out of tonnes so other than that which other novels has he written have rushed/bumbled endings?


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I'm also not 100 percent on board with that Abnett moniker. There have been tons of books by him, where I was left wanting more in the end, sure. Where I wanted to see more of character X, the consequences of Y and so forth. But only a few novels felt really rushed. It's more that his pacing is so fast takes you for a ride that you feel, you've suddenly hit the end. 

 

Unremembered Empire was a book, on the other hand, that didn't so much suffer from a rushed ending but from several rather weird plot points. It could have used a closer character study by Abnett on Guilliman and the other instigators of the UR and less superhero movie. 


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I mean the eisenhorn trilogy is arguably one of the best out there so I dont get the Abnett hate.



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Where does this "Abnett cannot write endings" urban myth come from. Without doubt he rushed/bumbled the ending of Unremembered Empire and it could be argued the ending of Titanicus really needed another 20-30 pages BUT that us just two books out of tonnes so other than that which other novels has he written have rushed/bumbled endings?

Off the top of my head most of the recent Ghosts books have the problem too, i mean its a first world problem because the rest of the books are ace but most of his recent work just ends abruptly, sometimes forgetting or skipping through stuff. Which is why im worried about him finishing a big series, especially something as monumental as the withdrawal from Terra which could easily be a whole book in itself.


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I would also assume they will milk the scouring for all it's worth and we get a whole new series post throne room fight showing the 7+ year withdrawl/fight off the traitor legions as they run.


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Where does this "Abnett cannot write endings" urban myth come from. Without doubt he rushed/bumbled the ending of Unremembered Empire and it could be argued the ending of Titanicus really needed another 20-30 pages BUT that us just two books out of tonnes so other than that which other novels has he written have rushed/bumbled endings?

Off the top of my head most of the recent Ghosts books have the problem too, i mean its a first world problem because the rest of the books are ace but most of his recent work just ends abruptly, sometimes forgetting or skipping through stuff. Which is why im worried about him finishing a big series, especially something as monumental as the withdrawal from Terra which could easily be a whole book in itself.

 

 

Respect your opinion brother but have to disagree. Abnett has been clear that he considers Blood Pact, Salvation's Reach, Warmaster and Anarch as a huge single book. With that in mind Warmaster's climax (which I think is the only one of the four that this abrupt ending thing could be levelled at) is actually only the end of Act 2 in a three act structure.

 

As you say though, first world problems lol


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Dan Abnett is such a great writer that no one ever wants his books to end. He’s a victim of his own great writing. The Salamander books I couldn’t wait for to end (not always the same author).

Know No Fear and Horus Rising are my ultimate favorite Books. I liked a lot of Unremembered Empire, but hated the Vulkan parts as it was over the top Incredible Hulk like ridiculous. I never read Abnett‘a Ghost books or any of his guard books. To me Abnett and ADB are the top two authors, but I think it is fitting for Abnett to finish this thing.

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Where does this "Abnett cannot write endings" urban myth come from. Without doubt he rushed/bumbled the ending of Unremembered Empire and it could be argued the ending of Titanicus really needed another 20-30 pages BUT that us just two books out of tonnes so other than that which other novels has he written have rushed/bumbled endings?

Most of the Gaunt's Ghosts books.

And I say this reluctantly, because they're my favourite Black Library series, but the amount of times something major happens, only for us to see pretty much zero reaction from the characters due to the book ending one page later is common enough to be irritating. Sabbat Martyr and Armour of contempt are probably the worst for it, but Necropolis, Honour Guard and arguably His Last Command were quite obnoxious for "Deus Gotta Wrap This Up Ex!", Honour Guard especially ("every Chaos soldier on the planet spontaneously combusts, the end").

It feels like he's nearing the end, then realises "Oh crap the page count!" and then hastily slams the book closed.

The Victory arc gets a pass, since he's always been upfront about it being more akin to one large book split into several chunks.

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Where does this "Abnett cannot write endings" urban myth come from. Without doubt he rushed/bumbled the ending of Unremembered Empire and it could be argued the ending of Titanicus really needed another 20-30 pages BUT that us just two books out of tonnes so other than that which other novels has he written have rushed/bumbled endings?

Most of the Gaunt's Ghosts books.

And I say this reluctantly, because they're my favourite Black Library series, but the amount of times something major happens, only for us to see pretty much zero reaction from the characters due to the book ending one page later is common enough to be irritating. Sabbat Martyr and Armour of contempt are probably the worst for it, but Necropolis, Honour Guard and arguably His Last Command were quite obnoxious for "Deus Gotta Wrap This Up Ex!", Honour Guard especially ("every Chaos soldier on the planet spontaneously combusts, the end").

It feels like he's nearing the end, then realises "Oh crap the page count!" and then hastily slams the book closed.

The Victory arc gets a pass, since he's always been upfront about it being more akin to one large book split into several chunks.

 

Interesting and just goes to show folks n strokes. In prep for Warmaster release in 2017 I re-read the whole GG series novels and short stories (and also Double Eagle & Titanicus) in chronological order. The endings never bothered me.


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I’m guessing this will tackle the Grey Knights/maybe Knights Errant? Saturnine May reference the old fleets stationer there, but my money is on its link to Titan.

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I’m guessing this will tackle the Grey Knights/maybe Knights Errant? Saturnine May reference the old fleets stationer there, but my money is on its link to Titan.

Didn’t the lost and the Damned deal Grey Knights?
I don’t think we’ll see anything else about grey knights in saturnine.

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Abnett's had issues writing endings for a long time. He goes so in-depth on everything before the end, it feels rushed almost every time. From those last timeskip chapters in Eisenhorn: Hereticus over the way the battle of Prospero got rushed in Prospero Burns, after immense amounts of buildup, the Ghosts, recently The Magos, where again it feels like a chunk of writing is missing at the climax, let alone The Unremembered Empire, which is still one of the shortest books in the series and dealt with Sanguinius for a whole two pages before being over. And then you have The Beast Arises, which makes sense to end abruptly as part of a series, but still felt like he dropped everything on short notice and there was more book to come.

 

It's something that may be the result of him going all in on the meat of the books before the end and then running out of commissioned words, though Abnett is the last author who would get his books rejected or edited down to size if he said he needed more room, but sometimes it comes across more as if he doesn't want his characters to react to the climax on page, at least not fully, or shortcuts deliberately between the end of the penultimate act and the very end. Has been kind of frustrating over the years, because when I read Abnett, I know the contents will most assuredly be exceptional, but the end will leave me at least partially hanging and wondering why there weren't a few pages more to wrap it up more smoothly.


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Abnett's had issues writing endings for a long time. He goes so in-depth on everything before the end, it feels rushed almost every time. From those last timeskip chapters in Eisenhorn: Hereticus over the way the battle of Prospero got rushed in Prospero Burns, after immense amounts of buildup, the Ghosts, recently The Magos, where again it feels like a chunk of writing is missing at the climax, let alone The Unremembered Empire, which is still one of the shortest books in the series and dealt with Sanguinius for a whole two pages before being over. And then you have The Beast Arises, which makes sense to end abruptly as part of a series, but still felt like he dropped everything on short notice and there was more book to come.

 

It's something that may be the result of him going all in on the meat of the books before the end and then running out of commissioned words, though Abnett is the last author who would get his books rejected or edited down to size if he said he needed more room, but sometimes it comes across more as if he doesn't want his characters to react to the climax on page, at least not fully, or shortcuts deliberately between the end of the penultimate act and the very end. Has been kind of frustrating over the years, because when I read Abnett, I know the contents will most assuredly be exceptional, but the end will leave me at least partially hanging and wondering why there weren't a few pages more to wrap it up more smoothly.

 

 

 
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the good always outweighs the bad for me (yeah, even for "unremembered..") but the endings are generally what stops his work from hitting that next level for me. 

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Maybe the series was going to be 7 books and they gave Abnett an extra book to make sure he has the breathing room needed to get his ideas fleshed out? <shrug>
 

 

I have full faith in Abnett knocking it out of the park. Someone like him doesn’t write Horus Rising without knowing how they would end the series if given the chance. And he’s had his many years to stew over things and work out how he wants it to all go down? As if that’s not enough, the final book is basically every BL writer’s dream gig. No one would mess it up. Trust me, it’s gonna be a 9/10 at the absolute worst.


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Book 8 is I reckon a poison chalice. Hardcore fans have had nearly 30yrs of head cannoning and fluff pieces about how the HH ends and SoT. No matter who is writing it there will be some people who just won’t be happy.

However, IMHO the best author for the job is Abnett given adequate time and wordcount (and no competing gigs for Marvel or DC etc)
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