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The book's been out for two days and you've already gotten through all stories? I really need to step up my game on anthologies. Still working on Broken City, and haven't even tried getting through No Good Men yet, outside of the tie-ins...

 

Really looking forward to some of these stories translating into full-blown novels for the coming season or two.



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I find them easier going than novels; using each entry as a break between my weekend chores meant I could savour them rather than the headlong plough I often do with full books.
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Broken City is a really excellent anthology.

 

Bleedout is a real standout piece, it's rare to get such a chunky novella in an anthology, and while the chapters are very short, it's still a good half the collection. Rath has some serious chops as a 40k author, and I hope we see more projects from him soon, the story is really economic and well paced.

 

There's also not a dud among the short stories, even if they aren't all home runs - a few could definitely have done with ~10 extra pages. A couple would even be at home in a Horror anthology, which I found made them doubly compelling. There's definitely some Necromunda vibes in these shorts, but the authors seem to have a much better idea of what to do with Varangantua as a diverse setting; Necromunda stories can get a bit samey.

 

Great stuff, and surprisingly even for an anthology.


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Can anyone who has read Broken City confirm whether Chris Wraight's story is the same as it appeared in White Dwarf?

 

I'm gonna buy the collection anyway, I'm just curious.



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Can anyone who has read Broken City confirm whether Chris Wraight's story is the same as it appeared in White Dwarf?

 

I'm gonna buy the collection anyway, I'm just curious.

 

I think it is; the publication data credits Sanctioner as having first been published in one of the White Dwarf issues from 2020.

 

 

 

Broken City is a really excellent anthology.

 

Bleedout is a real standout piece, it's rare to get such a chunky novella in an anthology, and while the chapters are very short, it's still a good half the collection. Rath has some serious chops as a 40k author, and I hope we see more projects from him soon, the story is really economic and well paced.

 

There's also not a dud among the short stories, even if they aren't all home runs - a few could definitely have done with ~10 extra pages. A couple would even be at home in a Horror anthology, which I found made them doubly compelling. There's definitely some Necromunda vibes in these shorts, but the authors seem to have a much better idea of what to do with Varangantua as a diverse setting; Necromunda stories can get a bit samey.

 

Great stuff, and surprisingly even for an anthology.

 

My biggest issue with Bleedout, having the paperback format, was actually the excessive chapter count and length.

 

Having a new page transition every few paragraphs just bloats it all and makes the actual physical reading experience an irritation. Most of these don't need to be their own chapters; they'd work just fine as individual scenes within a longer chapter. 

 

I can appreciate what they're going for here; a fast-paced tempo somewhat akin to a rapidly and frenetically edited film - I want to say like... Run Lola Run or Crank or something. There's that element of the ticking clock winding down. However, I think it could have worked if they'd gone the other way and had eliminated the chapters entirely - just kept them all as scene transitions.


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Can anyone who has read Broken City confirm whether Chris Wraight's story is the same as it appeared in White Dwarf?

 

I'm gonna buy the collection anyway, I'm just curious.

 

I think it is; the publication data credits Sanctioner as having first been published in one of the White Dwarf issues from 2020.

 

 

 

Broken City is a really excellent anthology.

 

Bleedout is a real standout piece, it's rare to get such a chunky novella in an anthology, and while the chapters are very short, it's still a good half the collection. Rath has some serious chops as a 40k author, and I hope we see more projects from him soon, the story is really economic and well paced.

 

There's also not a dud among the short stories, even if they aren't all home runs - a few could definitely have done with ~10 extra pages. A couple would even be at home in a Horror anthology, which I found made them doubly compelling. There's definitely some Necromunda vibes in these shorts, but the authors seem to have a much better idea of what to do with Varangantua as a diverse setting; Necromunda stories can get a bit samey.

 

Great stuff, and surprisingly even for an anthology.

 

My biggest issue with Bleedout, having the paperback format, was actually the excessive chapter count and length.

 

Having a new page transition every few paragraphs just bloats it all and makes the actual physical reading experience an irritation. Most of these don't need to be their own chapters; they'd work just fine as individual scenes within a longer chapter. 

 

I can appreciate what they're going for here; a fast-paced tempo somewhat akin to a rapidly and frenetically edited film - I want to say like... Run Lola Run or Crank or something. There's that element of the ticking clock winding down. However, I think it could have worked if they'd gone the other way and had eliminated the chapters entirely - just kept them all as scene transitions.

 

 

I'm reading Ravenor at the moment, and there are scenes where Dan Abnett does this very well, such as at the Carnivora, multiple p-o-v transitions within a single chapter.



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Just finished Broken City. Very very good. Possibly the strongest of the two anthologies so far (not yet got Sanction & Sin) by dint of having far more variety of protagonist and story type compared to No Good Men (although I think some of the individual stories in that anthology were stronger IMO).

All the stories were good and all were pages turners. I will echo others that possibly the best/strongest was Rites of Binding.

It would be churlish to say something was the weakest but perhaps the least strong and one I liked least (just IMO of course) was Extended Family for three reasons:

1. It was pretty much three extended battle scenes low on plot.
2. It was the least 40k of all the stories (basically a mobster story that could have been set in New York in 2021 but with a few key words changed).
3. J C Stearns didn’t seem to grasp the difference between a Probator and a Sanctioner confusing the former as a sergeant of the latter (it irked me, especially after the previous story making it a specific point of difference).

That is not to say it isn’t well written but didn’t hold up to all the other stories IMO.

Very much looking forward to Sanction & Sin and Grim Repast now.
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Sanction and Sin is ok. In the same way the first anthology was seemingly all male investigators with substance misuse issues, so far (2/3 through) this one is all kick-ass females. Which is fine in moderation but I would prefer more variety. I’d agree that a lot of these stories don’t feel very 40k, confessions of fire being the (very good) exception and by far the best story in either anthology.



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Trying to put my finger on what “feeling like 40k” while in a domestic setting actually means (to me at least). Not given this enough thought yet but it is certainly more than peppering a story with 40k phrases and words. I think it needs:

- Oppressive atmosphere
- Religion permeating everyday life and/or being in your face (permanent fear of being branded a heretic)
- Fear and mistrust of the authorities
- Ineffective and inefficient bureaucracy
- Overlapping and confusing jurisdictions
- Some Tech being considered almost magical
- Fear, hatred and persecution of mutants and psykers

There will be many more of course.

I think there is a big difference between a crime story that happens to be 40k and a 40k story that happens to be crime.

Easy for me as an armchair critic to say that of course, I am not the creator faced with that challenge. All the stories are well written and enjoyable in their own right but some seem to have nailed the 40k crime story thing better than others so far.

So using Extended Family as an example (I really don’t want this to come across as bashing J C Stearns. It is a good story but for me currently falls into the “crime story that happens to be 40k” rather than the other way around, but it is fresh in my mind).

An additional scene where Carlowe goes to Church or at least prays to the God Emperor for guidance would be pretty 40k. Not the religious act per se but the hypocrisy of a mobster justifying his career/life choices by still believing it to be in the service (certainly not against) the GE.

It’s like Michael Corleone being made Godfather to his sister’s child at the Christening while intercutting with all the assassinations he has put into motion (inc brother-in-law). He is literally being asked by the Catholic Priest whether he will bring this child up in the name of God etc just as his goons are murdering people! Talk about evil hypocrisy - quite 40k that!

Maybe that is too on the nose?

Both novels so far nailed it for me. They are crime and investigation stories sure, but they still felt distinctly 40k. Especially Flesh and Steel. That was not just down to the colour/flavour permeating the stories, but also the actions of characters and the nature of the plots. Of the shorts so far the one that comes to mind immediately as being 40k crime rather than crime in 40k was Nick Kyme’s short. That really couldn’t take place in any other setting!

Edited by DukeLeto69, 16 September 2021 - 07:37 AM.

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Bloodlines and Flesh & Steel and Dredge Runners audiobooks/audio drama are available for less than 10 bucks in the new Humble Audiobook Bundle:

https://www.humblebu...k-library-books


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Worth it for Dredge Runners alone
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Why did Marc Collins have to keep copying his manuscript?

Because he was writing Grim Re-paste.

Wa wa wah!

Sorry I’ll get my coat!
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Why did Marc Collins have to keep copying his manuscript?

Because he was writing Grim Re-paste.

Wa wa wah!

Sorry I’ll get my coat!

That's a Grin Re-paste! :)


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Grim Repast is really good; starts out as a very by-the-numbers police procedural (which is something I’ll never tire of reading) but then fully embraces the OTT nature of 40k (which I’ll never tire of reading either).

Kind of like a compressed Eisenhorn trilogy.
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What do you mean by fully embraces the OTT nature of the 40k setting, what can we expect to see in this book?






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