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[Jukkiz]

EChampion is Power Level 9 in Faith and Fury

Cosidering PL we can only assume, since i doubt we are using PL as dedicated points.

12ppm for SM is good mid ground

[Lagrath]

I wish we had more leaks and I wish the DG photo weren't too blurry to read anything!

 

My initial impressions:

 

- Thousand Sons got screwed. They were already rarely played outside 2 princes + Ahriman. Now the princes are overpriced, Tzaangors went up 1 ppm even though no one used them, Rubrics still suck. Scarab Occult and Cultists sound like only bright side. 

 

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

 

- Daemons got some much-needed cuts but it's too bad that the first half of the HQs are cut off on the leaked page. 

 

- Still missing a lot of CSM info outside of what was posted here earlier. 

[Marshal Loss]

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

 

 

• Cultist down 1 point
• Land raider down 20 points
• Terminator lord down 10 point
• Predator down 5 points
• Rhino went up 15 points (edit: too blurry, it could be 65 - which means its down by 5)
• Spawn went down 5 points
• Helbrute went down 20 points
• Malignant plague caster went down 15 points
• Blight haulers went down 15 points
• Possessed went down 3 points
• Poxwalkers went down 2 points
• Sorceror went down 10 points
• Terminator sorcerer down 2 points
• Typhus went down 20 points
• Plaguebearers went up 1 point
• Combi melta went down 4 points
• Entropy cannon went down 5 points
• Plague spewer went down 2 point

 

Some CSM changes that I am reading:

 

No change to Lords Discordant!

Warptalons 19 pts total with wargear

Oblits now 95 ppm

Most Daemon Engines down 10-15 points, including Heldrakes, Maulerfiends, Venomcrawlers

Chaos Thunder Hammers cost 40

Power fists down to 7 pts

Edited by Marshal Loss, 28 November 2019 - 03:13 PM.

[Lagrath]

 

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

 

 

• Cultist down 1 point
• Land raider down 20 points
• Terminator lord down 10 point
• Predator down 5 points
• Rhino went up 15 points (edit: too blurry, it could be 65 - which means its down by 5)
• Spawn went down 5 points
• Helbrute went down 20 points
• Malignant plague caster went down 15 points
• Blight haulers went down 15 points
• Possessed went down 3 points
• Poxwalkers went down 2 points
• Sorceror went down 10 points
• Terminator sorcerer down 2 points
• Typhus went down 20 points
• Plaguebearers went up 1 point
• Combi melta went down 4 points
• Entropy cannon went down 5 points
• Plague spewer went down 2 point

 

Some CSM changes that I am reading:

 

No change to Lords Discordant!

Warptalons 19 pts total with wargear

Oblits now 95 ppm

Most Daemon Engines down 10-15 points, including Heldrakes, Maulerfiends, Venomcrawlers

Chaos Thunder Hammers cost 40

Power fists down to 7 pts

 

 

I am pretty sure that the DG list is what someone typed up from the blurry photo with their best guesses on Reddit. I think at least some of those are wrong.

 

I didn't see anywhere that Oblits went down. If true, I am excited!

[Marshal Loss]

I know that some (e.g. Typhus being reduced by 20 points) are apparently factual. Can't comment on the others

Edited by Marshal Loss, 28 November 2019 - 03:24 PM.

[Lemondish]

We know the CHE is going up 15 points and Banshees are coming down 2 points apiece. I might risk venturing onto Dakka later tonight.

 

No need, I'll do it for you. 

 

Bucket of salt and all that:

 

Asurmen -25 

Bikes -5 
Cronos -5 
Eldrad +10 
Falcons -10 
Fire Prism -15 
Foot Locks -10 
Hellions -2 
Hemlock -20 
Raider 0 
Reapers -3 
Shadowseer -15 
Shining Spears -4 
Sky Locks -5 
Spiritseers -10 
Starweaver -19 
Talos +18 
Troupe Master -5 
Venoms -10 
Voidweavers -13 
Vypers -2 
Wracks 0 
Warp Spiders -1 
Wraithblades Axe Shield -10 
Wraithknight -45 
Wraithlords -5 


Dark Lances -5 
Disintegrators 0 
Neuro Disruptor -5

Edited by Lemondish, 28 November 2019 - 03:28 PM.

[Karhedron]

Salt duly consumed but I am quite surprised by some of the Eldar changes. Hemlocks were already solid, the only reason they weren't taken more was that CHEs were just that good! Venoms wee already a staple in most DE lists so seeing them come down is also a surprise.

Thanks for that!

[Noserenda]

Some more narrative bits, Linked battles could be interesting, good to see spearhead back too!  

https://www.warhamme...omepage-post-2/

[Lemondish]

Salt duly consumed but I am quite surprised by some of the Eldar changes. Hemlocks were already solid, the only reason they weren't taken more was that CHEs were just that good! Venoms wee already a staple in most DE lists so seeing them come down is also a surprise.

Thanks for that!

 

Yeah, I mostly agree. But do you know what I'm most excited about? The potential of a freaking ghost elf army with these specific changes and it not be bad:

 

 

Spiritseers -10 

Wraithblades Axe Shield -10 

Wraithknight -45 

Wraithlords -5

[FelipeFlops]

 

Still nothing on FW ?

They are mixed in there. The custodes section has all their units listed though the points are pretty unreadable.

 

 

Yeah it's like trying to decipher hieroglyphics.

 

From what I can read;

 

Agamatus - No change

 

Aquilon Terminators - no change

 

Ares Gunship - Up 10 points? Kind of looks like 325 points now.

 

Caladius - unreadable

 

Contemptor Achilles - No change

 

Contemptor Galatus - looks like it might be 130 points now, down from 155.

 

Coronas - No change

 

Guard with Adrasite - No change

 

Orion - unreadable 

 

Pallas - hard to read but looks like no change

 

Sagittarum - No change

 

Telemon - unreadable

 

Venetari - No change

 

 

Obviously all of these are just the Forgeworld models, but all in all very little change. 

[kombatwombat]

Ultramarines have been nerfed again unfortunately.

The weakest chapter in the codex gets point hikes on units.

Ah-:cussing-hem.

The Black Templars would like a word...

[Ishagu]

The Eldar jets were only a real problem in ITC games, it's a shame we're seeing more point changes due to the ITC missions slanting the game towards certain units.

[Schlitzaf]

Ultramarines have been nerfed again unfortunately.

The weakest chapter in the codex gets point hikes on units.

Ah-:cussing-hem.

The Black Templars would like a word...

To be fair Templar’s only real issue is that Crusader squads are overpriced. Our Strategems, Litanies, Relics and WT are all damn solid

[Lagrath]

Really a bummer that the leaker didn't go all the way and leak clean pages of all the points :-P Maybe another set will surface. 

[Boyadventurer]

 

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

 

 

• Cultist down 1 point
• Land raider down 20 points
• Terminator lord down 10 point
• Predator down 5 points
• Rhino went up 15 points (edit: too blurry, it could be 65 - which means its down by 5)
• Spawn went down 5 points
• Helbrute went down 20 points
• Malignant plague caster went down 15 points
• Blight haulers went down 15 points
• Possessed went down 3 points
• Poxwalkers went down 2 points
• Sorceror went down 10 points
• Terminator sorcerer down 2 points
• Typhus went down 20 points
• Plaguebearers went up 1 point
• Combi melta went down 4 points
• Entropy cannon went down 5 points
• Plague spewer went down 2 point

 

 

 

Did the Deathshroud not go down? That teaser from a few days ago had them going down by another 10 or so.

[DeStinyFiSh]

Any changes for Ad Mech maybe?

[Knight Artorias]

Azrael dropping 30 pts would be sweet. If I'm adding it correctly Hellblasters have stayed the same.

[Chaplain Elijah]

Sweet buffs for DA so far, can't wait for more

[Closet Skeleton]

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

Blightlords have been the only usable chaos terminators for a while, so I very much disagree. Depends on if you just want to alpha strike or not but DG are an endurance army.

 

The Eldar jets were only a real problem in ITC games, it's a shame we're seeing more point changes due to the ITC missions slanting the game towards certain units.

 

They were popular at ETC as well, but its not like they completely dominated ITC except in the Eldar bracket.

[Lagrath]

 

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

Blightlords have been the only usable chaos terminators for a while, so I very much disagree. Depends on if you just want to alpha strike or not but DG are an endurance army.

 

 

 

Just because they were the only usable ones doesn't mean they are costed rights, especially after the cuts everything else is getting. They are almost 500 points for 10 almost fully loaded, on what are still 2-wound models. Plus then you have 220-400 points of support characters for reroll 1s, prescience, warp time, miasma, and blades. Sure they hit hard, but extremely expensive models that are ultimately not that durable versus a lot of shooting is still rough. 

 

I have Blightlords and support characters painted and right now I would trade them for having my Chaos Terminators painted in a heartbeat. 350 points gets me 10 Emperor's Children Terminators with combi-plasmas that I can upgrade to T5 before the game and that I can cast 5++ on with a sorcerer that I am bringing anyway for prescience. They don't get the 4++ or the wound rerolls but they can get an auto-six 6 on one of the dice in deep strike assault, they always fight first, they advance normally, they have a 1 CP for huge damage against hordes, and they can fire twice for 40 plasma shots. Meanwhile 10 Blighlords with 8 combi-plasmas and 2 flails is 488 points. 

[Nemisor]

Anyone got any decent pics/info on custodes points? Specificly caladius and non FW units

Edited by Nemisor, 28 November 2019 - 06:09 PM.

[Closet Skeleton]

Buff characters and expensive gun upgrades should add up. 10 Helblasters are 330, can't deepstrike and only rapid fire at 15" rather than the Blightlord's 18", getting them a 4++ is well over 100 points, the difference has to cost something.

Edited by Closet Skeleton, 28 November 2019 - 06:42 PM.

[Bloody Legionnaire]

- Need to know for Death Guard whether Typhus, Poxwalkers, or anything else went down in points. Blighthaulers seem cheaper? So hard to read. Major bummer that Blightlords and Mortarion both didn't go down at all! No real reason to use Blightlords over normal CSM Terminators at about 200 points more for 10!

 
 

• Cultist down 1 point
• Land raider down 20 points
• Terminator lord down 10 point
• Predator down 5 points
• Rhino went up 15 points (edit: too blurry, it could be 65 - which means its down by 5)
• Spawn went down 5 points
• Helbrute went down 20 points
• Malignant plague caster went down 15 points
• Blight haulers went down 15 points
• Possessed went down 3 points
• Poxwalkers went down 2 points
• Sorceror went down 10 points
• Terminator sorcerer down 2 points
• Typhus went down 20 points
• Plaguebearers went up 1 point
• Combi melta went down 4 points
• Entropy cannon went down 5 points
• Plague spewer went down 2 point

 
Did the Deathshroud not go down? That teaser from a few days ago had them going down by another 10 or so.

They did, it was probably too blurred out to note, though. Rhinos went down not up

[ERJAK]

The Eldar jets were only a real problem in ITC games, it's a shame we're seeing more point changes due to the ITC missions slanting the game towards certain units.

Are we reading the same thing because the one I saw has them going DOWN points, which is the exact opposite of what you're suggesting here.

[rcoon]

 

 

Still nothing on FW ?

They are mixed in there. The custodes section has all their units listed though the points are pretty unreadable.

 

 

Yeah it's like trying to decipher hieroglyphics.

 

From what I can read;

 

Agamatus - No change

 

Aquilon Terminators - no change

 

Ares Gunship - Up 10 points? Kind of looks like 325 points now.

 

Caladius - unreadable

 

Contemptor Achilles - No change

 

Contemptor Galatus - looks like it might be 130 points now, down from 155.

 

Coronas - No change

 

Guard with Adrasite - No change

 

Orion - unreadable 

 

Pallas - hard to read but looks like no change

 

Sagittarum - No change

 

Telemon - unreadable

 

Venetari - No change

 

 

Obviously all of these are just the Forgeworld models, but all in all very little change. 

 

 

Ares got an increase and is 325pts

 

Galatus is 135 pts. Using progressive High pass filters in Photoshop and a Hard Light blend the text is barely legible. The Achillus is the 130 pt one.

 

Pallas is no change - 75 pts

 

Telemon recieved a points drop to 160 or 165.

 

Orion - no change, still 320.

Edited by rcoon, 28 November 2019 - 08:29 PM.