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[Indefragable]

If they're not each half price I'm out. Not hyperbole. No -ing way am I paying double for what we got last year.

[Dark Shepherd]

Didnt see that coming. Book bloat for competitive games, and purchase bloat...but all zee points in one place is cool. Hope it includes the legends

Also now we know what they meant by points changes coming out ALONGSIDE chapter approved

Edited by Dark Shepherd, 24 November 2019 - 05:57 PM.

[wildweasel]

The two volumes are being sold together as a single product, and based on this years General’s Handbook which did the same thing, for the same price as prior versions IIRC.

[VanDutch]

If they're not each half price I'm out. Not hyperbole. No -ing way am I paying double for what we got last year.

The article says they come bundled. Fingers crossed we're paying the same with easy access to points changes... maybe!

[Dark Shepherd]

The two volumes are being sold together as a single product, and based on this years General’s Handbook which did the same thing, for the same price as prior versions IIRC.

Sigmar stuff is generally better value though. Would be very happily surprise if this isnt more than last years. Or even just a mild increase of say 25e instead of 20e

[Ciler]

The two volumes are being sold together as a single product, and based on this years General’s Handbook which did the same thing, for the same price as prior versions IIRC.

I hope that'll be the case. It's bummed me enough to have had to pay more for my "supplement" than other Marine factions...

[Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra]

 

Looks like we finally have some tangible news.

 

 

Chapter Approved 2019

Whatever Warhammer 40,000 army you play, you’ll want to get a copy of this year’s Chapter Approved – the essential annual update for all gamers in the 41st Millennium. This year, we’ve separated Chapter Approved into two bundled books for your convenience. 

 

 

Try new missions and ways to play with Chapter Approved 2019 itself, then build your matched play lists with the Munitorum Field Manual – a reference guide with points for everything currently in Warhammer 40,000. The Field Manual doesn’t just contain updated points, but unchanged ones too, meaning you’ll only have to look in once place when writing your lists!

 

Thank you for letting us know. But! Please, please, please do something about the text colour next time.

[Archaeinox]

40k on FB is saying we'll take a look at CA2019 throughout this next week so.. I'm sure we'll see stuff!

[Dark Shepherd]

Official: its same price as last years CA ie both books for the same woooooooo

[Chaplain Elijah]

From the other thread :

Rumours:



Would be helpful if somebody could confirm that this came from our helpful local French source, but until then, apply copious amounts of salt

From 4chan :

Tyranids
-Malanthrope down 10pts
-Haruspex down 10 pts
-hive tyrant down 5pts
-Hive guard up 2 pts

Chaos
-Discordant up in cost 15 pts
- CSM down 2 pts
- cult marines down 2 pts
- Cultists stay the same
- plaguebeaerers up 1 pt
- greater daemon cost reduction (including named)

Ad mech
- Disintegrator up 10 pts

Space Marines
- General point reduction

Guard
- tank commanders up 20 pts

Tau
- Riptides up 30 pts

Aeldari
- No major changes

GSC
- Aberrants down 1 pt
- Acolytes up 1 pt

About space marines cost reduction :

I don't want to alarm you but this might be true. Insider rumors has it that the codex/supplement writers weren't in communication with CA writers who finalized and had their book printed before feedback for the new codex came back.

[Archaeinox]

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

 

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

Edited by Archaeinox, 24 November 2019 - 07:39 PM.

[Marshal Loss]

It's a response to the discolord craze earlier this year, and CAs are always written many months in advance of the main release. The legitimacy of those leaks aside, I'll be very surprised if Lords Discordant don't receive an increase tbh.

[Sonoftherubric21]

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

 

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

 

Does that happen when people take 3 of them? I think this is just looking at top lists and gauging things off of that. Given that alot of tourney chaos lists I saw have 3x Lord Discordants I think is why the points increase will happen. 

[Nemesor Tyriks]

Plus, their approach hasn't made a ton of sense overall anyway to a of changes. If Lords Discordant are in nearly every list it doesn't seem to matter to them if those lists are winning, the unit must be too good compared to the other options, apparently.

[Raven1]

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

I have said it a couple times. These points are based on meta of months ago. CSM points drops are welcome but I dont think 2 points would be enough as they are objectively worse then marines.

Cults marines across the board need a buff and a points decrease. 2 points down and +1W is a start.

[Sonoftherubric21]

 

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

I have said it a couple times. These points are based on meta of months ago. CSM points drops are welcome but I dont think 2 points would be enough as they are objectively worse then marines.

Cults marines across the board need a buff and a points decrease. 2 points down and +1W is a start.

 

 

I personally think hoping for a substantial point drop AND a wound increase is a forlorn one. I doubt we will get BOTH. 
 

I think 2 points down is huge for base CSM. Once we get our trait re-writes I think an 11 point CSM is in a good spot.

 

Cultists still being at 5 is irritating given their limited use. 

[Archaeinox]

 

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

 

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

 

Does that happen when people take 3 of them? I think this is just looking at top lists and gauging things off of that. Given that alot of tourney chaos lists I saw have 3x Lord Discordants I think is why the points increase will happen. 

 

 

I fear for that logic. Imagine Ahriman getting an increase just because he's sucked into the Nurgle lists as part of a Supreme Cmd.

[Raven1]

In all fairness Ahriman might be the best character in the game. If not the best the single most taken character in the game, and I've never seen a chaos list (in a competitive setting) without him. So I wouldn't be surprised by a points increase.

@Sonoftherubric what makes you think CSM will get trait re-writes. GW has had two opportunities to do that and taken neither to update them.

[Sonoftherubric21]

In all fairness Ahriman might be the best character in the game. If not the best the single most taken character in the game, and I've never seen a chaos list (in a competitive setting) without him. So I wouldn't be surprised by a points increase.

@Sonoftherubric what makes you think CSM will get trait re-writes. GW has had two opportunities to do that and taken neither to update them.

 

What makes you think they won't?  We 100% are. *Eventually* (being the key word) 

 

Considering how disparate the design team seems to be its no wonder that we didn't get one sooner. But just looking at the base marine traits how can you look at that and think that they won't eventually update ours. 

 

Its clear that the recent codex for marines is a totally new design philosophy. Its far more down the road in scale then any other book. I think that basically every army when they get their new 8.5 (or 9.0 I suppose?) book will absolutely be getting a plethora of new trait bonuses of some variety. 

[Shadowseer]

The leaks didn't even note that two books are coming out, and I call major  on 'writers didn't communicate with each other'.

The post honestly feels like it was made by a troll to generate RAEGE

Edited by WarriorFish, 24 November 2019 - 09:39 PM.
Please do not dogge the swear filter

[Marshal Rohr]

You could always use power levels instead of points

[Closet Skeleton]

 

Sure would be cute if the supposed cult marines point drop included their termies as well

 

Confused about the Discordant increase if that's a thing. When I see one on the table I look at the player and go "bless your heart" as someone shoots it off the board

 

Does that happen when people take 3 of them? I think this is just looking at top lists and gauging things off of that. Given that alot of tourney chaos lists I saw have 3x Lord Discordants I think is why the points increase will happen. 

 

 

The problem is that the detachment system mean that there's effectively no slot limitations so people will just spam HQs instead of taking other units. It doesn't matter how much you up their points, stuff like Daemon Princes, Tank Commanders, Hive Tyrants and Lord Discordants are just better than their equivalents in heavy support so they get spammed.

Edited by Closet Skeleton, 24 November 2019 - 08:59 PM.

[CaptainMarsh]

I don't put much stock in the rumors after this reveal. Splitting CA into two books is such a major design decision *and* is something that would be easy to discover for anyone looking for insider info on CA2019. Somehow the rumors managed to get specific points changes and insider scoop about communication issues but not that the item in question would be split in half?

[helterskelter]

The csm points reduction pays for the lord disco points increase. 195 points for me but over a squad i'm ok

Edited by helterskelter, 24 November 2019 - 09:48 PM.

[Slave to Darkness]

The leaks didn't even note that two books are coming out, and I call major  on 'writers didn't communicate with each other'.

The post honestly feels like it was made by a troll to generate RAEGE

Everyone shares the same office space, even the FW rules writers... Laurie Goulding said so himself, if they didnt communicate with each other then GW needs to fire some staff.