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Most selfless Primarch?


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Who do you think was the most selfless Primarch?  I would have to say Sanguinius, what he did for his sons and also the fact that he knew he was going to die at Horus' hand and still faced him.

The least would be Lorgar as he made Argel Tal go into the eye to make sure it was safe to enter.  


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Sanguinius followed by Dorn.


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Sanguinius. Literally the only Primarch who sacrificed himself directly for the Emperor.


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Yeah hard to argue against Sanguinius. Others are pretty good, but Sanguinius knew he was going to die for a long time and still went through with everything.


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Yeah hard to argue against Sanguinius. Others are pretty good, but Sanguinius knew he was going to die for a long time and still went through with everything.

Well not all the time, for a time during the escape of the ruinstorm he believed that he could change the future.  


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Sanguinius is definitely my top pick but a good case could possibly be made for Alpharius/Omegon if you look at the prominent reasons for them siding with Horus. It’s actually presented as the only choice to save humanity from a worse fate.
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I mean, this isn't even a question. No others have their own special feast day to celebrate their sacrifice. 

 

 

Sanguinius is definitely my top pick but a good case could possibly be made for Alpharius/Omegon if you look at the prominent reasons for them siding with Horus. It’s actually presented as the only choice to save humanity from a worse fate.

 

Not quite. I thought the whole conclave schtick was for horus to win to wipe out humanity in order to weaken the chaos gods overall. If the emperor won, then humanity would be in endless turnmoil, strengthening the gods. Their actions were aimed at hastening the destruction of humanity. And neither of them did so in the absolute certainty they would die. 

 

That said, at the end of Ruinstorm, Sangy goes after Horus with a sliver of hope in his heart. 


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What about Lorgar's selfless efforts to bring truth to the Imperium....

Nobody?
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I think Dorn would actually sacrificed himself too, if he wouldn´t been teleport grieffed


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What about Vulkan, when looking at the war of the Beast ?

I'm not certain that Sanguinius' death at the hand of Horus was an act of selflessness, merely that he got there first. Not to say that he didn't otherwise demonstrate selflessness, but this particular example doesn't strike me as the most relevant. His defence of his legion in the Signum cluster much more so.
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Sanguinius knew that Horus would kill him, but also that he would damage Horus armor to allow the Emperor to destroy it.

My money is on Vulkan, for me he is the most hman of all Primarchs.



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I think Angron was the most human Primarch.  He loved his brothers and sisters like equals, he is the only Primarch that truly related to humans, well before the Emperor stole him away from his death.  He related to his brothers and sisters, even looking up to them and feeling shame for not dying with them.  He's the only Primarch that has truly related to humans. 


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I think you'd need to ask the question of who the most selfish primarch is.
Lots of them behave selflessly all the time, I mean, they're soldiers, that's their job.
Sanguinius does have the whole Hector against Achilles thing going on, so is quite tragically selfless

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Yeah Achilles knew if he killed Hector he would end up being killed by an archer (Paris supposedly).  Also Hector saw a premonition of Achilles death as he was dying and warned him, but Thetis also told Achilles all through the war that he was going to die.  


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I think Angron was the most human Primarch. He loved his brothers and sisters like equals, he is the only Primarch that truly related to humans, well before the Emperor stole him away from his death. He related to his brothers and sisters, even looking up to them and feeling shame for not dying with them. He's the only Primarch that has truly related to humans.


The only one to relate to humans seems a bit of a stretch.

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Not really, all of the other Primarchs found it difficult in relating to humans, Angron didn't have those difficulties, they were his equals and actually they were more than his equal, he looked up to them, also he never felt like he was above them, the only other Primarch that can say that is maybe Guilliman and his dad.  I never said he was the only one, I said he was the only one to truly relate to humans.  If its a bit of a stretch tell me of another Primarch that related to humans so well.


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I mean, this isn't even a question. No others have their own special feast day to celebrate their sacrifice.


Sanguinius is definitely my top pick but a good case could possibly be made for Alpharius/Omegon if you look at the prominent reasons for them siding with Horus. It’s actually presented as the only choice to save humanity from a worse fate.


Not quite. I thought the whole conclave schtick was for horus to win to wipe out humanity in order to weaken the chaos gods overall. If the emperor won, then humanity would be in endless turnmoil, strengthening the gods. Their actions were aimed at hastening the destruction of humanity. And neither of them did so in the absolute certainty they would die.

That said, at the end of Ruinstorm, Sangy goes after Horus with a sliver of hope in his heart.

Yeah, I did say Sanguinius still gets my top spot. The thing about Alpharius though is in relation to the selflessness aspect. He took the decision to destroy his own race to prevent a worse fate befalling them and the galaxy as a whole. That’s pretty selfless really.

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Especially in that he had less of a guarantee that it would pay off, and knowing that they would not be remembered kindly if it didn't.
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Not really, all of the other Primarchs found it difficult in relating to humans, Angron didn't have those difficulties, they were his equals and actually they were more than his equal, he looked up to them, also he never felt like he was above them, the only other Primarch that can say that is maybe Guilliman and his dad.  I never said he was the only one, I said he was the only one to truly relate to humans.  If its a bit of a stretch tell me of another Primarch that related to humans so well.


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So, they weren't his captains at the time, they were soldiers of the Emperor who he hated.  He had no loyalty towards them.


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vulkan, hands down. because of his direction the salamanders are the only space marine chapter that has fully kept it's humanity and cares about the common imperial citizenry.
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There can be a solid argument for pretty much any of the primarchs to be fair. I just listen to a passage where Horus catches Sanguinius killing one of his own sons that fell to the Red Thirst. Horus explained to Sanguinius that they are just human, they have flaws and they are no different than the humans they were designed to protect. I am sure every primarch has had their moments. It is what really brings them to life and makes them all more than just the killing machines that the Emperor wanted them to be.

 

An argument you could make for even Magnus. I'm sure he knew what would happen when he used his powers to try and warn the Emperor of the coming betrayal. He sacrificed his entire legion and himself to try and protect the Imperium. Granted I don't know everything about his fall, just that he fell after trying to warn the Emperor.

 

Now if we were to say that it is the most selfless to up to the current timeline... I would most likely say Guilliman. Look at this poor dude. He awoke to find everything in tatters, a father that views him as a tool of war, and still put himself in a position to carry on the mission he was designed for. As far as I'm aware he has not complained out loud about this position at all. Though I wonder if that will change if one of his trusted brothers returns. I dunno.

 

I love Sanguinius as well. The Blood Angels have quickly become one of my favorite chapters even if I'm disappointed in their rules in game. I just think that sacrificing himself so they could win a battle, not the war, was a really bad call on his part. It almost feels like the easy way out. Sanguinius thought that the Emperor would not be able to kill Horus without his sacrifice. But that could have been visions that the Chaos Gods were feeding him. 

 

Yeah... I'll be going with Guilliman. The dude just impresses me. Everything I've read about him has only helped to build up Guilliman and tear down this strange anti-ultramarine bais I've had for so many years. You could almost see the stress he was going through at the end of Devastation of Baal when he was talking with Dante. The pain he must have been suffering and the doubt he had to push through to continue to act in the best way possible for the Imperium. Having encountered two of his brothers in the past and now knowing that he was very out-numbered. Dude is a boss.


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Guilliman.

I mean, he's just chugging along, dutifully doing his job even though the whole internet is constantly on his case, relentlessly cyber-bullying him just for being alive.
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