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[Redcomet]

As a display piece I like it. Not a fan as a gaming piece. Should have been separate models imo. It would be like putting calgar and the honour guard onto one base. Also it seems like an easy first blood.

Which would look super cool.

[Reclusiarch Krieg]

I'm so totally magnetizing these Sisters on both the Triumph and on 32mm bases. So many uses and so much easier transport. And you can take them off once the wounds start going down.

[Reinhard]

I like it because it is many models standing in interaction with each other. It's a diorama on its own, and the units on it would clearly fight together. 

 

For once though I guess i could have preffered if it had the whole, "FW HH bases where a smaller base is hidden in the bigger base"-thing. Though i guess with magnets you can make them removable as wounds are lost, as suggested right above me.

 

Most of all I just really want to paint one. Looks fun.

[Slasher956]

Reckon it’ll be one of the few units I paint before assembling to be honest....

[Waking Dreamer]

re: Triumph
https://www.warhamme...11/fdb40318.jpg

OK, are those supposed to be representatives from each of the major orders? I see Bloody Rose with the petal plate. I see Ebon Chalice, burning. I see Valorous Heart, with the icon staff. Martyred Lady seems to be leading them with the shield, but there's no Argent Shroud, instead there's... Glowing Chalice, the censer?

Saint herself seems to be... Golden Light?

 

Argent Shroud is the Sister at the very back.

[Waking Dreamer]

Can anyone tell how big that base is? Is it a 100mm like the ones they use for Magnus and Mortarion? 

 

 

As a display piece I like it. Not a fan as a gaming piece. Should have been separate models imo. It would be like putting calgar and the honour guard onto one base. Also it seems like an easy first blood.

Which would look super cool.

 

 

I can definitely see other non-sister armies creating their own "Triumph Of..." set piece just for the fun of it!

 

Right now I'm thinking of having Draigo with his sword and shield magnetised at the front of a large base, with 5 GK Paladins behind him surrounding a hovering Sarcophagus of a previous Supreme Grandmaster who fell in combat. GK wont ever have a dedicated Primarch model just like the SoB (which I see this unit as their equivalent), so a one-of-a-kind unit like this is an amazing centrepiece for not just them but armies who don't get dedicated Primarch/LOW units/models.

Edited by Waking Dreamer, 04 December 2019 - 06:35 AM.

[UtariOnzo]

This Triumph piece reminds me of the old Brettonian Relic Knight, the one with the dudes carrying their long dead liege into battle, and that’s awesome. Love the sculpt and the feel, Sisters seems the right kind of force for that kind of gaming diorama

The Repentia look pretty cool, glad they’re in plastic as I can have a shot at turning some of them into more archeo-flaggelants for some variety

Edited by UtariOnzo, 04 December 2019 - 07:01 AM.

[tvih]

I'm still curious as to the Repentia kit itself in that is it going to be a 10-model kit or not. The models being spread into two pictures raises the question, but I guess it'd be very unlikely that they'd release 1+4 and 5 model kits. Mainly contemplating it since I don't really need another whip-lady, and only 5 Repentia, after having the army set. Not that I'd mind more than 9 if not for list-building reasons. They're nice models for sure. I suppose the extra Superior could be converted to a Canoness.

[Quantum]

This Triumph piece reminds me of the old Brettonian Relic Knight, the one with the dudes carrying their long dead liege into battle, and that’s awesome. Love the sculpt and the feel, Sisters seems the right kind of force for that kind of gaming diorama

The Repentia look pretty cool, glad they’re in plastic as I can have a shot at turning some of them into more archeo-flaggelants for some variety

I believe you mean Grail Reliquae. The difference there was that the model was designed to be part of a tight regiment of warriors in line formation. it did not matter much that the model was hard to place in terrain, as regiments were difficult to place in terrain anyway. But the Triumph is basically a squad of skirmishers that normally are able to take advantage of terrain. But the sheer size of the base will make much more difficult that a regular squad on separate bases.

[Reinhard]

Does that look like an object you'd easily take into cover? Do the sisters look like taking cover would be the first thing on their minds? Imagine the petal one sitting in cover while strewing petals about

[RolandTHTG]

Does that look like an object you'd easily take into cover? Do the sisters look like taking cover would be the first thing on their minds? Imagine the petal one sitting in cover while strewing petals about

 

And now I want to create a display base with the procession surrounded by blooming cherry trees. 

[tvih]

Isn't the current cover rule for infantry - and the Triumph IS infantry - like this: "All of the models in a unit need to be at least partially on or within terrain if any of the models are to receive the +1 bonus to their saving throw."

 

For Triumph, it's considered to be just one model instead of a squad, so as long as even a small piece of the base is on a terrain piece, it should gain cover?

[Reclusiarch Krieg]

Isn't the current cover rule for infantry - and the Triumph IS infantry - like this: "All of the models in a unit need to be at least partially on or within terrain if any of the models are to receive the +1 bonus to their saving throw."

 

For Triumph, it's considered to be just one model instead of a squad, so as long as even a small piece of the base is on a terrain piece, it should gain cover?

Yup. Its only problem in general is that it's 18 Wounds (10+), so it's targetable.

[sfPanzer]

 

Isn't the current cover rule for infantry - and the Triumph IS infantry - like this: "All of the models in a unit need to be at least partially on or within terrain if any of the models are to receive the +1 bonus to their saving throw."

 

For Triumph, it's considered to be just one model instead of a squad, so as long as even a small piece of the base is on a terrain piece, it should gain cover?

Yup. Its only problem in general is that it's 18 Wounds (10+), so it's targetable.

 

 

18 wounds at T3. That's the problem. Even a unit of Intercessors will pose a threat to it, not to mention heavier weaponry.

[Marshal Rohr]

Which makes sense because its just six sisters and a dead body. 

[sfPanzer]

It makes sense fluff-wise but doesn't make much sense compared to six regular characters crunch-wise.

[Marshal Rohr]

If only there was a mechanic to attach characters to units to represent a bodyguard formation

[Slasher956]

Now why isn’t it 12 or 24 wounds? I mean all our characters are 2 or 4+ wounds each...@18 wounds that’s 3 a piece !

[Ciler]

Now why isn’t it 12 or 24 wounds? I mean all our characters are 2 or 4+ wounds each...@18 wounds that’s 3 a piece !

Or 4 models a 2W and 2 models at 4W, which is exactly 18 as well. You can't fight the maths.

[Aothaine]

Fantastic! It is like a Primaris for Sisters! Stunning model and amazing rules!

[Lemondish]

Isn't the current cover rule for infantry - and the Triumph IS infantry - like this: "All of the models in a unit need to be at least partially on or within terrain if any of the models are to receive the +1 bonus to their saving throw."

For Triumph, it's considered to be just one model instead of a squad, so as long as even a small piece of the base is on a terrain piece, it should gain cover?

Yup. Its only problem in general is that it's 18 Wounds (10+), so it's targetable.

18 wounds at T3. That's the problem. Even a unit of Intercessors will pose a threat to it, not to mention heavier weaponry.

A maximum sized unit of Intercessors with bolt rifles in the tactical doctrine next to a captain and lieutenant will only manage about 4.5 damage on average, without factoring in any 4+ miracle dice you decide to use on it (it will benefit from its own effect after all).

Against any other target they would fare far better. Do you think an Intercessor squad would prefer to shoot at the Triumph, with its limited buffs, or a unit of Retributors? How about Dominions? Or Seraphim that just appeared (tactical means turn 2)?

And keep in mind that the Marine player just used 170 points of Intercessors supported by another 130-150 points of characters to trade in less than 5 wounds on the Triumph, a 180 point model.

It's still 10 points per wound at 4++ and -1 to hit. It isn't a particularly clutch unit that will decimate if left unchecked, but Retributors are. Dominions can be. Seraphim are as well. Consider what it is protecting if your opponent goes full bad guy and opens up at a funeral. You not only eat way more firepower than it's worth, but it also get to shame them for their actions. Who shoots a funeral procession?!

Edited by Lemondish, 05 December 2019 - 07:08 PM.

[tvih]

 

Isn't the current cover rule for infantry - and the Triumph IS infantry - like this: "All of the models in a unit need to be at least partially on or within terrain if any of the models are to receive the +1 bonus to their saving throw."

 

For Triumph, it's considered to be just one model instead of a squad, so as long as even a small piece of the base is on a terrain piece, it should gain cover?

Yup. Its only problem in general is that it's 18 Wounds (10+), so it's targetable.

 

 

Yeah, but this was specifically about being able to have it in cover. It's certainly targetable, which is a weakness. Surprised they didn't let even Celestians bodyguard it. But then trying to bodyguard it from multi-damage weapons would be a pain in the butt given the way the bodyguard units work.

 

It makes sense fluff-wise but doesn't make much sense compared to six regular characters crunch-wise.

 

But if it was separate characters, in terms of terrain and cover, it'd actually be harder to get into cover sometimes, since you'd have to get all of the models in there separate. Although admittedly you'd be able to operate in ruins and such places with multiple levels.

[sfPanzer]

 

It makes sense fluff-wise but doesn't make much sense compared to six regular characters crunch-wise.

 

But if it was separate characters, in terms of terrain and cover, it'd actually be harder to get into cover sometimes, since you'd have to get all of the models in there separate. Although admittedly you'd be able to operate in ruins and such places with multiple levels.

 

 

What do I care about cover whent he enemy can't even shoot at them though? ^^

Also getting 6 infantry models into cover is really not a problem lol

[MoshJason]

I feel like it's going to be tankier than people are giving it credit for. It's a 18 wound, 4++ -1 to hit model that can ignore ap-1 and get easy access to a 2+?

Sure, lascannons/meltas will wreck it, but that's when you drop as many Miracle dice* as possible to get those 4++ before you have to roll, and then command point reroll a 4+. Now the opponent has wasted a chunk of their anti tank on your hq, and your Exorcists can freely fire back!

*1 a round base, 2 a round from St Katherine, +1 from WL trait and +1 from Sanctum.

[Waking Dreamer]

Now why isn’t it 12 or 24 wounds? I mean all our characters are 2 or 4+ wounds each...@18 wounds that’s 3 a piece !

Or 4 models a 2W and 2 models at 4W, which is exactly 18 as well. You can't fight the maths.

Or 2W for each of the 6 Sisters and 6W for the open casket and flying cherubs....