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Psychic Awakening 4 - Ritual of the Damned


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Honestly, that article has made me more than a little mad, and I'm just hoping it's because the WHC guy who wrote this doesn't know anything about Dark Angels...

 

Ahem, I'm going to be getting ranty, it's slightly off topic and I apologise in advance. This may seem pedantic, but in my heart I know I am truly a pedant...

 

Firstly, we don't have 'Captains' - we have 'Masters'. That's not just a terminology / language thing that I'm annoyed about, it's actually a gameplay one too. We don't have the 'Captain' keyword on our data sheets, it's 'Master', and any rules that would affect 'Captains' are written to affect 'Masters'.

Whilst I'm here on Captains, "Deathwing Captain"? Do you mean Master in Terminator Armour? Because technically, even if it's not actually reflected in the rules, all Non-Primaris Masters are part of the Deathwing - but now have the option of taking Terminator Armour into battle. Even more pedantically, "Deathwing Captain" implies the Master (using correct terminology) of the Deathwing Company - who is Belial, a named character who is unable to take additional equipment. So unless this is a real subtle hint that they've killed off Belial - this is really wrong.

 

Now onto "This marked a unique moment in the Dark Angels’ history, as Lazarus became the first-ever Primaris member of the Inner Circle." which really got my goat, because he isn't. From a fluff perspective, all Dark Angel Librarians are immediately promoted into the Inner Circle, because of their importance to the Hunt and interrogation/repentance of the Fallen. This happened with the Primaris release too, and at least none of the other Primaris characters went straight into the Inner Circle too. This isn't just lore, it's in the rules too. Take a look at the Primaris Librarian data sheet, and he has the Inner Circle special rule. So Lazarus is far from the first Primaris member of the Inner Circle. 

 

I'm hoping this is all because the WHC article writer isn't a Dark Angels player, but I'm fearful this may be from the book writer...

Have you read the DA fluff in the WD? GW is clearly postitioning Lazarus as the first ever primaris to be part of the Inner Circle.It seems tha tthey forgot about this "little tidbit" that all librarians are supposed to be part of the Inner Circle by default...


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Primaris Librarians being in the Inner Circle probably happened Post-Lazarus.
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Primaris Librarians being in the Inner Circle probably happened Post-Lazarus.


Well that didn't take very long.

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Well there is Inner Circle and then theres Inner Circle :D 

But tbh i wouldnt take a game mechanic as proof over a specific narrative point, the rules and the fluff never entirely synch up.


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Well there's been no time given for when Lazarus ascended (afaik?) so it may well have been before there where any primaris librarians. A pretty easy thing to write into the PA book.



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Librarians can read minds. Tough to keep secrets from them I'd say

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That and the lore has established that Librarians are auto-inducted into the deathwing since their schtick is also book keeping all the secrets and the hunt, but that’s neither here nor there for PA4

Gotta say I really like that they’re going for synergy with the inclusion of the deathwing strategem dropping with ravenwing. I think triwing lists, with the points drops we had, are much more viable now with small greenwing backline holders, a deathwing detachment all supporting a solid core of ravenwing knights/speeders

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Also wasn't wrath of magnus pre gathering storm? How could he have been saved by the rubicon?

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Post WoM and Fall of Cadia, the Dark Angels kept fighting the forces of Tzeentch and Magnus in Warzone Stygius.


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Honestly, that article has made me more than a little mad, and I'm just hoping it's because the WHC guy who wrote this doesn't know anything about Dark Angels...
 
Ahem, I'm going to be getting ranty, it's slightly off topic and I apologise in advance. This may seem pedantic, but in my heart I know I am truly a pedant...
 
Firstly, we don't have 'Captains' - we have 'Masters'. That's not just a terminology / language thing that I'm annoyed about, it's actually a gameplay one too. We don't have the 'Captain' keyword on our data sheets, it's 'Master', and any rules that would affect 'Captains' are written to affect 'Masters'.
Whilst I'm here on Captains, "Deathwing Captain"? Do you mean Master in Terminator Armour? Because technically, even if it's not actually reflected in the rules, all Non-Primaris Masters are part of the Deathwing - but now have the option of taking Terminator Armour into battle. Even more pedantically, "Deathwing Captain" implies the Master (using correct terminology) of the Deathwing Company - who is Belial, a named character who is unable to take additional equipment. So unless this is a real subtle hint that they've killed off Belial - this is really wrong.
 
Now onto "This marked a unique moment in the Dark Angels’ history, as Lazarus became the first-ever Primaris member of the Inner Circle." which really got my goat, because he isn't. From a fluff perspective, all Dark Angel Librarians are immediately promoted into the Inner Circle, because of their importance to the Hunt and interrogation/repentance of the Fallen. This happened with the Primaris release too, and at least none of the other Primaris characters went straight into the Inner Circle too. This isn't just lore, it's in the rules too. Take a look at the Primaris Librarian data sheet, and he has the Inner Circle special rule. So Lazarus is far from the first Primaris member of the Inner Circle. 
 
I'm hoping this is all because the WHC article writer isn't a Dark Angels player, but I'm fearful this may be from the book writer...


Have you read the DA fluff in the WD? GW is clearly postitioning Lazarus as the first ever primaris to be part of the Inner Circle.It seems tha tthey forgot about this "little tidbit" that all librarians are supposed to be part of the Inner Circle by default...

Belial has his wargear options back. It’s in the legends pdf about Wargear. It states to add certain wargear options to the codex entries. Belial being on of the codex entries.

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Primaris Libbies are auto inducted into the Deathwing/Inner Circle. That was info given to us directly in the Codex about them.

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I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of Lazzy’s rules (Even if I wont use him often.) I’ll get the model (two of them,) one to kitbash up to be Lazzy or any Primaris Company Master (putting Balthazar’s helmet on him. Pointy wings should be the way. Lqtm,) and the second one to make a nifty looking Primaris Company Champion even though we don’t have a unit Datasheet for that yet, it’s still something I’d like to do.

The strats and rules they have shown are pretty neat. I just really hope they made the WD strat of d6” move after teleporting in a normal strat for DA. I mean it really should be a normal DA strat.
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So glad GW are moving away from the more digital based art they were doing a couple years back and returning to the sketchy and more grim-dark style. The art from all the PA books so far has been awesome to be fair.


That is digital art.
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So glad GW are moving away from the more digital based art they were doing a couple years back and returning to the sketchy and more grim-dark style. The art from all the PA books so far has been awesome to be fair.

I don't think I can see a single brush stroke on the art of Lazarus. The digital nature is especially apparent in the marine outline on the right (above the human) and on the cloak/dust to the left.
Still, it looks great so I'm not complaining, and I agree that this style is much more evocative than the stuff where it kinda looked like they took a screenshot of the CADs and drew art over it.


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So glad GW are moving away from the more digital based art they were doing a couple years back and returning to the sketchy and more grim-dark style. The art from all the PA books so far has been awesome to be fair.


That is digital art.

 

 

 

 

So glad GW are moving away from the more digital based art they were doing a couple years back and returning to the sketchy and more grim-dark style. The art from all the PA books so far has been awesome to be fair.

I don't think I can see a single brush stroke on the art of Lazarus. The digital nature is especially apparent in the marine outline on the right (above the human) and on the cloak/dust to the left.
Still, it looks great so I'm not complaining, and I agree that this style is much more evocative than the stuff where it kinda looked like they took a screenshot of the CADs and drew art over it.

 

 

Fair points!

 

I should have been more specific when I said "digital art". I guess I meant this sort of stuff. A lot of it was in the 7th and 8th edition Deathwatch codex's.

 

It's cool taken on it's own, but doesn't really sit alongside a lot of the older art for me, it's quite, cartoony? Almost video game like. I mean, I don't know the correct terms, I'm not an artist. 

 

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I'm just glad GW are moving back to their original style I guess!


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So do you folks think that there will be a change of tone between the GK and DA when Ritual of the Damned concludes? 

 

In other words, do you think the GK are being deceptive in their request for DA assistance in the Prospero system, only to attempt to mind wipe them after the fight is over?


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So do you folks think that there will be a change of tone between the GK and DA when Ritual of the Damned concludes? 

 

In other words, do you think the GK are being deceptive in their request for DA assistance in the Prospero system, only to attempt to mind wipe them after the fight is over?

*Fallen secret is let out completely during the book, but due to Grey Knight mind wipes no one remembers except the Grey Knights who now think the Dark Angels are also cool secret keeping bros.*

 

Book summary lol.


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Really depends on how the writers want to leave things for moving forward. One could work backwards to justify a great many things.

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Also, it seems that since the Psychic Awakening stuff is “filling in” the Indomitus Crusade era, the books are already “working backward” in part - it’s been really hard to piece together just when the continuity really is, but it’s very possible that somewhat incongruously no Primaris Librarians were actually delivered to the Dark Angels/Unforgiven, and Lazarus’s Rubicon event happens before any are made, but after Calgar undergoes his process?

Personally I just wish they were revealing more about how the Unforgiven really incorporate the Primaris or had stuck with them being more traditionalist and not really changing until they have released whatever they need to for full Primaris integration. The piece-meal method and half-assed incorporation are really grating.

Hopefully they do a bit better for the Space Wolves.
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Also, it seems that since the Psychic Awakening stuff is “filling in” the Indomitus Crusade era, the books are already “working backward” in part - it’s been really hard to piece together just when the continuity really is, but it’s very possible that somewhat incongruously no Primaris Librarians were actually delivered to the Dark Angels/Unforgiven, and Lazarus’s Rubicon event happens before any are made, but after Calgar undergoes his process?

Personally I just wish they were revealing more about how the Unforgiven really incorporate the Primaris or had stuck with them being more traditionalist and not really changing until they have released whatever they need to for full Primaris integration. The piece-meal method and half-assed incorporation are really grating.

Hopefully they do a bit better for the Space Wolves.

 

War of Secrets is where I expected to get a lot of answers to those questions. It was disheartening in their absence and more so in any actual answers received. I'm hoping the fluff in PA4 is more coherent.


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Also, it seems that since the Psychic Awakening stuff is “filling in” the Indomitus Crusade era, the books are already “working backward” in part - it’s been really hard to piece together just when the continuity really is, but it’s very possible that somewhat incongruously no Primaris Librarians were actually delivered to the Dark Angels/Unforgiven, and Lazarus’s Rubicon event happens before any are made, but after Calgar undergoes his process?
Personally I just wish they were revealing more about how the Unforgiven really incorporate the Primaris or had stuck with them being more traditionalist and not really changing until they have released whatever they need to for full Primaris integration. The piece-meal method and half-assed incorporation are really grating.
Hopefully they do a bit better for the Space Wolves.


This is where the decision to drop time/date references - a decision I was initially in favour of - has bitten GW on the arse by making the PA books curious at best and impenetrable at worst.
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There's been some excellent models with PA, but in terms of fluff I hope they're just treading water until whatever awesome thing is happening this summer.



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You guys really shouldn't expect any sort of conclusion or whatsoever.

PA2 was just showing that the power of faith is strong now and has opened some narratives. The only kind of conclusions we got there were terrible plot twists that lead either to another plot twist or to a cliffhanger.

PA3 was just re-telling us how Devastation of Baal ended (so nothing new there) and then tells us what the Blood Angels and the successors are doing now (reinforcing Baal and the surroundings, working together with Dante out of respect not because of his new title, engaging remains of the Hivefleet Leviathan on various fronts, including a GSC on one of the planets). This one was actually so far the one with the least amount of background and I assume it's largely due the new Dante and Mephiston books getting released at the same time which have all the juicy stuff in them.

 

Psychic Awakening is just background noise so we have a vague idea of what was going on in the galaxy during the time skip. The main purpose is to give everyone some crunch without having to release a whole new Codex until presumably the new edition gets released.


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Preview is out for Table Top Tactics on youtube but I don't have time to flip through it. Can anyone tell me what Lazzy's point value is?

 

 

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No points for Lazarus in PA4. Wat.


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