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What gets is that the sell the parts for just about everything in some capacity. Just because it's not bundled doesnt mean it's not sold/available.
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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.


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Pieces of paper for impassable terrain? My main problem with all of this is it really takes away from the game. A giant sheet of white paper on the table sort of breaks the theme of tiny fake armies running around tiny fake locales.

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No more Warboss on Warbike! Can only use the special character from Forgeworld now.

 

Also no more Razorbacks with heavy flamers or lascannon with twin plasma.


Edited by OrkPlayer137, 04 December 2019 - 07:13 PM.


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Sisters lost stormbolters on sergeants so there's nothing but combi-meltas left now.

(Yes, I'm aware other options exist, but they're terrible so combi-melta)

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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.


There's almost no way TOs let legends stuff stay, same as they all jumped on the Ro3 bandwagon.

Which means people who play with tournament consistent rules won't be using these because they're no longer represented in tournament lists.

You'll still be able to use them, even in most matched play games. I doubt anybody but the biggest Dbags would begrudge you that, but they'll be DoA for a lot of people.
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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.

There's almost no way TOs let legends stuff stay, same as they all jumped on the Ro3 bandwagon.

Which means people who play with tournament consistent rules won't be using these because they're no longer represented in tournament lists.

You'll still be able to use them, even in most matched play games. I doubt anybody but the biggest Dbags would begrudge you that, but they'll be DoA for a lot of people.

Why would they be DoA for a lot of people? They even say they can be used in matched play. Not every game played is a tournament game...

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Sisters lost stormbolters on sergeants so there's nothing but combi-meltas left now.

(Yes, I'm aware other options exist, but they're terrible so combi-melta)


It's a pity the plasma are so expensive in comparison because they actually end up being pretty close to the same output against the targets you'd want to fire at with Storm Bolters provided you fire both and don't overcharge. But the cost makes it much less valuable.

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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.

There's almost no way TOs let legends stuff stay, same as they all jumped on the Ro3 bandwagon.

Which means people who play with tournament consistent rules won't be using these because they're no longer represented in tournament lists.

You'll still be able to use them, even in most matched play games. I doubt anybody but the biggest Dbags would begrudge you that, but they'll be DoA for a lot of people.

Why would they be DoA for a lot of people? They even say they can be used in matched play. Not every game played is a tournament game...

 

Because, as was said, TOs will treat 'Legends' as illegitimate, and 'tournament legal' is the standard a lot of gaming groups/clubs use.

 

This is censored.gif. Whichever way you try to spin it.


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Not a big deal. They're still totally playable except in the cases of particularly anal tourney environments that explicitly disallow them. And in the case of the average game, this changes absolutely nothing.

 

If clubs are using "tourney standard" as the baseline for a regular game then to me that seems like the problem is the aforementioned clubs forcing a very specific set of standards where it doesn't belong. Not every game needs to be some kind of competitive match.


Edited by Evil Eye, 04 December 2019 - 07:32 PM.

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GW seems to hate bikes and now they´re going en route to chop everything in half? Is this another, "making it simpler" thing?

 

It's not that. They simply aren't supporting rules for models they don't sell anymore. It's called "end of lifecycle" in many other industries and its quite common.

 

Instead of lamenting the death of something you lost, instead look to the brightside - they gave you a tool to continue using them (in a restricted manner) going forward.

 

That and before you know it we will have an entire range of Primaris Heroes on Cawl-pattern Grav Bikes before long anyway.

 

 

Meanwhile, those of us who dislike Primaris find ourselves in a situation where our preferred tools are restricted/will eventually no longer be supported in some fashion.

 

Even CCGs aren't that bad about things.


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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.

There's almost no way TOs let legends stuff stay, same as they all jumped on the Ro3 bandwagon.

Which means people who play with tournament consistent rules won't be using these because they're no longer represented in tournament lists.

You'll still be able to use them, even in most matched play games. I doubt anybody but the biggest Dbags would begrudge you that, but they'll be DoA for a lot of people.
Why would they be DoA for a lot of people? They even say they can be used in matched play. Not every game played is a tournament game...

A lot of people use their casual games to test new units/strategies/equipment loadouts/etc for tournaments. For those people, anything not allowed in a tournament won't be an option they consider because it doesn't help them get better with their army.

They'll still play AGAINST legends options, they just won't use them.

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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.

There's almost no way TOs let legends stuff stay, same as they all jumped on the Ro3 bandwagon.

Which means people who play with tournament consistent rules won't be using these because they're no longer represented in tournament lists.

You'll still be able to use them, even in most matched play games. I doubt anybody but the biggest Dbags would begrudge you that, but they'll be DoA for a lot of people.
Why would they be DoA for a lot of people? They even say they can be used in matched play. Not every game played is a tournament game...
Because, as was said, TOs will treat 'Legends' as illegitimate, and 'tournament legal' is the standard a lot of gaming groups/clubs use.

This is censored.gif. Whichever way you try to spin it.
That's really on the players. They can make up their own minds rather than following tournaments. It's absurd to blame GW for gaking in your own pants.

You guys seriously need to consider that tournaments aren't the be all end all. Most tournaments house rule the entire game . That should not be celebrated in any way.

Down with tournament BS lol

Edited by Lemondish, 04 December 2019 - 07:36 PM.

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Literally changes nothing for me and people I play with. 

Never looked up to tournaments, never going to. 


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Literally changes nothing for me and people I play with. 

Never looked up to tournaments, never going to. 

 

Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it won't affect others in a negative way.



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I like how the Land Raider Excelsior's combi-plasma has been fixed to just do a mortal wound when it's supercharged, but the Rhino Primaris' twin plasma gun still blows the tank up. I suppose it was inevitable given they also failed to fix Chaos vehicle's combi-plasma.


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You guys seriously need to consider that tournaments aren't the be all end all. Most tournaments house rule the entire game . That should not be celebrated in any way.

 

The game is meant to be house-ruled. 2/3 of the main rulebook content is unusable without house rules by design.



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I run tournaments are my store and I see absolutely no reason to not allow legends. We've been playing with these options for years now and none of them have been game breaking so I don't see all tournaments deciding to ban them. Some will, but I'm guessing it won't be as common as people are making it out to be.
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The flowchart question is really important. The biggest thing I was worried about was losing options for weapons on Nobz leading a Boyz squad. I like to give them a Shoota or Kustom Shoota when I'm running them at the head of a Shoota Boy squad just to make the math easier (every extra thing you have to roll or measure seperately adds exponential time to ork players' shooting phases!), or just as a cheaper shooty option for a nobz squad with melee focus. If the flowchart is still in effect, then I can bring those, but the Legends pdf did not clarify anything for wargear options for Boyz or Nobz squads, whereas it did for some of the other index wargear options like Kommandos. I want GW to clarify whether this supercedes the options in the index.


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2/3 of the main rulebook content is unusable without house rules by design.

I’m assuming you’ve got some quotes from the game designers to back that up? The way the rules designers they’ve talked to on VoxCast don’t seem to indicate that there is any intent to force people to house rule things - house ruling is more of a “If you like it to play that way” concept, not a requirement to play the game.
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The rules provided work for Open, Narrative, and Matched Play. The only time there is a hard and fast gate is for organized tournament play and even then a TO can allow them, and I could see many reasons why they would. The doom and gloom from some corners can relax.

 

^this

However in about one year when the next CA gets released the problem will solve itself since everything steadily becomes cheaper so Legends stuff will steadily become more and more overcosted. 


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2/3 of the main rulebook content is unusable without house rules by design.

I’m assuming you’ve got some quotes from the game designers to back that up? The way the rules designers they’ve talked to on VoxCast don’t seem to indicate that there is any intent to force people to house rule things - house ruling is more of a “If you like it to play that way” concept, not a requirement to play the game.

 

 

I didn't say you were forced to houserule anything, that's what the remaining 1/3 of the rulebook are for.

 

I was referring to the quite large open and narrative play sections of the rulebook which are intended for players who don't want to be led by the hand and limited to the same 12 missions forever and ever and are made more of jumping off points than something intended to last more than a few sessions of out of the book play.
 

Don't need quotes from the game designers to back up a point I got from actually reading the sections of the main rulebook most people ignore because its not the 40k they grew up with or whatever (despite it being full of a pretty 2nd/third ed approach to play).


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Literally changes nothing for me and people I play with. 

Never looked up to tournaments, never going to. 

 

Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it won't affect others in a negative way.

 

Everyone is saying how they feel about it, can't I do the same?


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The Terminus Ultra datasheet has been updated - now it can be taken for any Chapter. It was locked to the Ultramarines in the Index.



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guess :cuss white scars players right?






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