HallofStovokor Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 It looks like we lost power mauls, power axes, demo charges and roughriders. It's kind of lame that special weapons squads can't take demo charges anymore. GSC now has more access to guard weapons than the imperial guard. librisrouge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Mor Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Loss of power maul is also a bit of a shame. I quite like the look for industrial type regiments and it’s a fun way to mix up the standard power sword. Plus anything with +S is important to get any work done in melee at base S3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Eh I'll just play with Legend rules now. Not much of a difference. But that depends on playgroup understandably Krash Kierdale and Noserenda 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAntilles Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 They forgot about the officer shotgun option. What am I supposed to do with my three metal Mordian Lieutenants converted with shotguns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Seeing RRs go is disappointing, but not unexpected Overall I think we got off lightly without any really surprises Will mainly impact tournament players where legends is banned None of these items are super broken so I can't see people complaining about them in casual games Kierdale 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 You should still be able to play them in anything but tournaments and I wouldn't be shocked if Legends is allowed in any tournaments. crimsondave 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsondave Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 You should still be able to play them in anything but tournaments and I wouldn't be shocked if Legends is allowed in any tournaments. I wouldn't be surprised either. I mean, if anything in Legends was OP broken the tourney players would be buying it up and it probably wouldn't have been put into legends in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordian Glory Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Does legends invalidate the index options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Not surprised with any of this. Basically what the Codex did already. I am not sad about losing any of this, Rougr Riders where pretty bad and all the Power weapons i never used Does legends invalidate the index options? As far as i understands it, that's the whole point of Legends.The Index is now invalid for Matched Play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordian Glory Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Well thats a load of grox poop, especially if shotguns have been missed :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Looks like we need a cavalry charge in the next GW survey... Guard are due some new models too. duz_ and Kierdale 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HallofStovokor Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 It's my understanding that index units are only invalid for matched play if they were included into legends. Honestly I really hate the concept of legends. It's GW saying that we squatted these models, but you can still play with your roughriders if you really want to do that. To be fair, it wasn't as bad as it could have been. I thought that we might have lost access to everything not in the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Legends doesn't invalidate anything for matched play. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/12/04/warhammer-40000-legendsgw-homepage-post-1/ The Warhammer 40,000 Legends page contains datasheets and additional wargear options, definitive profiles that will live on their own dedicated page, enabling you to unleash your treasured classics in open, narrative and matched play games, with full points provided to help you balance your games. A word to the wise, however – these profiles will not be curated as part of the annual points review, and as such aren’t really intended for use in competitive play (unless, you know, you want to organise an event where Legends are welcome). On the following pages you will find a datasheet and additional wargear options. Used alongside Codex: Astra Militarum, these allow you to field certain legendary models in your games. Some datasheets found within this document contain keywords within angular brackets – rules for determining which keyword these can be replaced with can be found in Codex: Astra Militarum.The rules here can be used in any type of play – open, narrative or matched, and full points are provided to help you balance your forces.Warhammer Legends will not form part of our ongoing balance review for the wider Warhammer 40,000 game – and we don’t recommend Legends units for competitive tournaments. This means that event organisers and attendees alike can guarantee that everything they’re gaming with is easily available to everyone and has been subject to the same rigorous balance and playtesting process.Of course, organisers are also free to specify that they will be including Legends rules if they like, allowing the use of the full classic range at their event Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sairence Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Where does it say the Indexes are now invalidated? Legends follows the same principle as before...use the most recent datasheet. If something like Shotguns are not in the Legends bit, you follow the same flow chart we used before to determine whether something can be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevlarshark Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 They forgot about the officer shotgun option. What am I supposed to do with my three metal Mordian Lieutenants converted with shotguns? (edging off topic) Necromunda used to have a 'bolt shell' option for shotguns, where they effectively jammed a bolt round into a shotgun shell which acted like a sabot. It was ridiculously unreliable, but the tech savvy gangs could make it work. -Using that as the justification- use your shotguns as bolters? Kierdale 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Discussion of what's valid and invalidated can move to the OR, its a topic beyond this thread and part of a broader discussion across all armies in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mertbl Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 I'm hoping for some faqs that make all the codex changes for each faction exist outside of legends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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