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So I feel like another HQ choice that actually does something different for the army would be really nice to have and could definitely come a long at some point.

Was thinking about what he could potentially do with regards to an aura buff, I guess the obvious and easy would be re roll 1's to wound, but I would really like somthing helps mobility like re roll charges within the aura like 'First to the Fray' or advance and charge like a Warboss.

Also he would have access to or come with a solarite gauntlet, because damn characters need to be able to hit harder than they do.

What do you guys think?

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I'd be all for a Tribune with awesome rules. Personally I'd like to see a C/C monster that's comparable to G-man in costs and abilities.

Edited by MustertheCustards, 10 December 2019 - 01:39 PM.

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Also he would have access to or come with a solarite gauntlet, because damn characters need to be able to hit harder than they do.
What do you guys think?


Solarite is nice, but what I feel holds our characters back is the lack of fixed 3 damage melee.
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Agree with the above.

Our lack of flat 3 damage severely hinders us at present.

I'd like to see Trajann's axe go to 3 damage.

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Completely agree about the flat 3, I'd be happy to see all of our melee weapons go to flat 2, and Trajann go to flat 3, maybe solarite could get flat 3 but add on -1 to hit, but everyone cries about them as it is so don't see that happening lol
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Honestly, HQ is not our weakpoint.  Neither is troops.  We are practically an All Elite Army, with no major weakness except for cost.  The only major downside is our psychic phase is none existent.  We should at least have some form of Chappy that can go around and buff our melee game, or give us better charges.  

 

Oh man....Jetbike Custodes Chaplains.....I need new pants.



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I disagree with you there. Compared to most armies our characters feel really sub par. Trajann is meant to be a demi-primarch lore wise yet his aura buffs are well below what most big characters from other armies offer. I'd like to see him offer re-rolls on all hits and wounds as well as flat 3 damage on his axe. I accept this would probably come with a points increase, but I would welcome it if it made Trajann feel more powerful. Either way, I don't think an extra named character would hurt the range at all. (Probably just hurt our wallets as with most of the single models now days).

 

The Emperor did not want the Custodes to have psychic abilities, so I think introducing psychic elements would require too much of a retcon of the current lore. Game wise, I have found Inquisitors to be an absolute blessing, Coteaz is an absolute bargain and now costs less than an assassin. Plus for the cost of 1CP he can take his warlord trait and get 3 powers and 2 deny attempts a turn.  Plus his 'Network of Spies' is pretty infuriating for your opponent when used to break up CP combos.

 

Focusing back on our codex, I think we need two major changes to help us in the Psychic phase:

  • A boost to 'Aegis of the Emperor' to a 5+++ would be super helpful. 
  • Sisters of Silence rolled into our book (Codex: Talons of the Emperor)

GW would get a shed load of money from me if any new character turned out to be a Sisters of Silence HQ. Anyway, here's hoping the Black Library celebration will deliver that!


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  • Sisters of Silence rolled into our book (Codex: Talons of the Emperor)

I cannot figure out why they won’t want to sell more of those models by making them troops in the Custodes codex. A SoS HQ would be neat, there’s a 30k one and a master witch hunter model would be fun. 


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  • Sisters of Silence rolled into our book (Codex: Talons of the Emperor)
I cannot figure out why they won’t want to sell more of those models by making them troops in the Custodes codex. A SoS HQ would be neat, there’s a 30k one and a master witch hunter model would be fun.

Aren’t we getting named hqs for custodes and sisters of silence in February? Based on the watchers of the throne book iirc.

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Technically, they announced the characters yes, but we're not sure how/where they will fit into things. For now, assuming they are an HQ seems reasonable, but we can't be sure yet.


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Technically, they announced the characters yes, but we're not sure how/where they will fit into things. For now, assuming they are an HQ seems reasonable, but we can't be sure yet.

Maybe we will get some new rules with those characters/PA



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The biggest problem with adding in a tribune is that there’s not much room between a shield captain and Valoris.

Tribunes would need to be better than captains but not as good as Valoris. Compared to a a captain, You can’t give the praetor more attacks, better WS, more wounds or a better weapon because then he’d be equal to or better than Valoris. That only leaves his aura, which turns him into more of a support character than one of the major leaders of the Custodes.

I think tribunes are probably best left in 30k and they focus on improving the book as is, as well as including sisters of silence as part of the Talons.

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The biggest problem with adding in a tribune is that there’s not much room between a shield captain and Valoris.

Tribunes would need to be better than captains but not as good as Valoris. Compared to a a captain, You can’t give the praetor more attacks, better WS, more wounds or a better weapon because then he’d be equal to or better than Valoris. That only leaves his aura, which turns him into more of a support character than one of the major leaders of the Custodes.

I think tribunes are probably best left in 30k and they focus on improving the book as is, as well as including sisters of silence as part of the Talons.


Or... they update valoris!

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  • Sisters of Silence rolled into our book (Codex: Talons of the Emperor)
I cannot figure out why they won’t want to sell more of those models by making them troops in the Custodes codex. A SoS HQ would be neat, there’s a 30k one and a master witch hunter model would be fun.
Aren’t we getting named hqs for custodes and sisters of silence in February? Based on the watchers of the throne book iirc.
I don’t know anything about this, I bought my Custodes months ago and they sat in a box till now, they’re to be my winter assembly project. Small elite armies are absolutely my style especially now that it looks like my Deathwing and Dantewing will be permanently mothballed.

My FW Custodes Bolter packs should be here tomorrow and I plan to do nun habits on my Sisters in the hope they make it into the list rather than being a quasi-detachment. If we do get some kind of special SoS character or HQ I’ll just kitbash it since I’ve about about 20 bodies.

Would it be appropriate for Custodes to get some kind of company champion HQ, like a guy with a gunless spear with a fistful of dice worth of attacks? What about a comm specialist or area denial asset?

Edited by Fajita Fan, 11 December 2019 - 11:05 PM.

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Honestly. Half of Custodes issues could be made by turning d3 weapons into either flat 2 (sword/Spear), or flat 3 (Fists/Axes) damage weapons, and standardizing their bolt weapons to do 2 damage (aside from hurricane bolters), since they have so few shots.


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Honestly, HQ is not our weakpoint. Neither is troops. We are practically an All Elite Army, with no major weakness except for cost. The only major downside is our psychic phase is none existent. We should at least have some form of Chappy that can go around and buff our melee game, or give us better charges.

Oh man....Jetbike Custodes Chaplains.....I need new pants.

We have massive weak points. Lack of mobility, anti-tank, solid midrange shooting, board presence and screening ability. Low volume of medium quality CC attacks (army wide, not per model). Our guys are great at CC against non specialized units. It's very easy to predict movements and what the Custodes player's options are tactically. Easily one of the weaker army options in a mono format right now. Their strength is durability. People whine about bike captains when deamon princes are the same price point, can move 24 inches, charge, can be buffed to S10, and have a 3 damage option. I usually give my bike captain VOTB just to make him a target.and have him tank hits for more important units. I do however agree that hqs aren't really our weak point. With some decent tactics and list building the army is fine fo most 40k settings though.

Edited by MustertheCustards, 14 December 2019 - 03:31 PM.


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The biggest problem with adding in a tribune is that there’s not much room between a shield captain and Valoris.

Tribunes would need to be better than captains but not as good as Valoris. Compared to a a captain, You can’t give the praetor more attacks, better WS, more wounds or a better weapon because then he’d be equal to or better than Valoris. That only leaves his aura, which turns him into more of a support character than one of the major leaders of the Custodes.

I think tribunes are probably best left in 30k and they focus on improving the book as is, as well as including sisters of silence as part of the Talons.

Or... they update valoris!

Well sure, but to what end and how? You can’t really improve his aura, there’s not much point in making him even more of a combat monster and the last thing he needs is a points increase as he’s already too expensive IMO. GW have had a few opportunities to lower his cost further (they’ve dropped it by 5 points) and so they evidently think he’s worth the points. That means any improvements would have to come with a points increase which prices him off the table like it did when the codex was first released.

His shackle is an area where there’s definitely some room for improvement but updating and buffing a single model always suffers from diminishing returns simply because no matter how powerful they are, they’re still just a single model and can generally be managed/kited/fed chaff by a competent opponent.

Upping Valoris to make room for tribunes would likely make Valoris too expensive and would just put a Valoris-lite version in his place.

Don’t get me wrong, tribunes are so cool in the fluff and in 30k, I just don’t think there’s really a space for them in the current Custodes line up.

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The biggest problem with adding in a tribune is that there’s not much room between a shield captain and Valoris.
Tribunes would need to be better than captains but not as good as Valoris. Compared to a a captain, You can’t give the praetor more attacks, better WS, more wounds or a better weapon because then he’d be equal to or better than Valoris. That only leaves his aura, which turns him into more of a support character than one of the major leaders of the Custodes.
I think tribunes are probably best left in 30k and they focus on improving the book as is, as well as including sisters of silence as part of the Talons.

Or... they update valoris!

Well sure, but to what end and how? You can’t really improve his aura, there’s not much point in making him even more of a combat monster and the last thing he needs is a points increase as he’s already too expensive IMO. GW have had a few opportunities to lower his cost further (they’ve dropped it by 5 points) and so they evidently think he’s worth the points. That means any improvements would have to come with a points increase which prices him off the table like it did when the codex was first released.
His shackle is an area where there’s definitely some room for improvement but updating and buffing a single model always suffers from diminishing returns simply because no matter how powerful they are, they’re still just a single model and can generally be managed/kited/fed chaff by a competent opponent.
Upping Valoris to make room for tribunes would likely make Valoris too expensive and would just put a Valoris-lite version in his place.
Don’t get me wrong, tribunes are so cool in the fluff and in 30k, I just don’t think there’s really a space for them in the current Custodes line up.

They can easily up his offensive stats... marine captains do more than him. Let alone chapter masters, or Calgar!,!
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Game wise I think it works out fine, I've smoked Calgar with with Valrois 1v1 and Calgar is expensive cost wise. Lore wise I can see your frustration, like how watch captains are better with guardian spears than our guys.

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I do get that there's not a lot of space between SC and TV, but an additional different aura would be very nice, especially if you're taking a batallion and ready have TV which you probably do, like I said in my original post, re roll charges would be epic, or advance and charge, how much extra utility would that bring to the army. Loads imo
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Yeah that would all be very cool and very interesting




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