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2000 pts Primaris brigade (a thought experiment)


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Hey all, I was just playing with numbers. I don't think it would work effectively. Your thoughts?

 

(List is edited with latest corrections)

 

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Primaris Brigade Detachment 1999 points


  92 - Primaris Captain, Power fist & Plasma pistol

145 - Chief Lib. Mephiston (primaris)

  77 - Primaris Chaplain

  70 - Primaris Lieutenant, MC Stalker Bolt rifle


  69 - Primaris Ancient

  90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

  90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

 

  94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

  85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

  89 - Intercessor squad (5), Power sword, Bolt rifles

  85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

  94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

135 - Intercessor squad (7), Power fist, Auto Bolt rifles

 

177 - Inceptor squad (3), Plasma Exterminators

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters


165 - Hellblaster squad (5), Plasma Incinerators

  98 - Eliminator squad (3), 1 Instigator bolt carbine, 2 Las-fusil, Camo-cloaks

  98 - Eliminator squad (3), 1 Instigator bolt carbine, 2 Las-fusil, Camo-cloaks


Edited by Spyros, 23 January 2020 - 03:24 PM.

"Whatever the Blood Angels' flaws, nowhere in the Imperium can truer servants of the Emperor be found." , Blood Angels Codex 5th ed.
"Although feared and mistrusted by those they protect, the Blood Angels continue to smash the Imperium's foes, compiling a battle history second to none.", Dark Millenium 7th ed.

"You underestimate our cousins, skald. Their gold and jewels mask a killer’s soul, and we would do well to remember that.", Helik Redknife, VI Legion ‘Vlka FenrykaCaptain

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Why not take a chaplain over one of the lieutenants? I don't hate it but I would maybe drop a squad of hell blasters for eliminators.

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Ok, here's the second version based on your comments.

Removing one Hellblaster squad made space for chaplain and Eliminators.

 

Blood Angels

Primaris Brigade Detachment 2000 points

 

92 - Primaris Captain, Power fist & Plasma pistol

77 - Primaris Chaplain

69 - Primaris Lieutenant, Power sword

69 - Primaris Lieutenant, MC Auto Bolt rifle

70 - Primaris Lieutenant, MC Stalker Bolt rifle

 

69 - Primaris Ancient

90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

 

94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

89 - Intercessor squad (5), Power sword, Bolt rifles

85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

 

177 - Inceptor squad (3), Plasma Exterminators

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters

 

165 - Hellblaster squad (5), Plasma Incinerators

165 - Hellblaster squad (5), Assault Plasma Incinerators

  89 - Eliminator squad (3), 1 Instigator bolt carbine, 2 Las-fusil


"Whatever the Blood Angels' flaws, nowhere in the Imperium can truer servants of the Emperor be found." , Blood Angels Codex 5th ed.
"Although feared and mistrusted by those they protect, the Blood Angels continue to smash the Imperium's foes, compiling a battle history second to none.", Dark Millenium 7th ed.

"You underestimate our cousins, skald. Their gold and jewels mask a killer’s soul, and we would do well to remember that.", Helik Redknife, VI Legion ‘Vlka FenrykaCaptain

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I'd recommend taking at least some Sanguinary Guard (they aren't Primaris models but have the Primaris 2W stat-line) as they can help punch through medium infantry and vehicles if you give them PFs. This also gives you a bit more in terms of manouvreability.



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You also only need 3 HQ's for a Brigade, so I would go with Captain, Lieutenant, and Chaplain, not 3 Lieutenants. And trade out the assault plasma on the hellblasters, they're just worse than the regular version.

 

Your going to struggle to kill vehicles at range, so I'd see if dropping 2 lieutenants gives you points to sprinkle in more power fists, plus another unit of some kind.


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The second lieutenant is there because his buff is probably better than just adding 1-3 more troopers on some squad. The assault plasma are there (same cost after Blood of Baal) because despite the lower strength they can pump out 2 shots (and on the move) from 24" away.

I know it lacks significant ranged anti-tank firepower. Maybe the solution is to remove another Hellblaster squad and add more AT Eliminators (that still don't have the -4 AP of plasma).


"Whatever the Blood Angels' flaws, nowhere in the Imperium can truer servants of the Emperor be found." , Blood Angels Codex 5th ed.
"Although feared and mistrusted by those they protect, the Blood Angels continue to smash the Imperium's foes, compiling a battle history second to none.", Dark Millenium 7th ed.

"You underestimate our cousins, skald. Their gold and jewels mask a killer’s soul, and we would do well to remember that.", Helik Redknife, VI Legion ‘Vlka FenrykaCaptain

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You don't have 2 Lieutenants, you have 3? Like, I could see the argument for 2 maybe, one to buff your backfield and one to follow infantry up the board, but you have 3. Unless its a miss copy+paste error. And I didn't say add random guys in, I recommended using those points to give your sergeants power fists, to help mitigate that anti-tank weakness. Because if you can't shoot the tanks to death, at least be able to punch them out.

 

And while getting those extra shots between 15-24, your way better off just getting into range with the standard ones, because Str6-7 just isn't good enough in 8th. Having to overcharge just to wound tanks on a 4+, and never getting a 2+ to wound MEQ just means its much better to just get the standard ones into range rather than try and hang out at the very small range band where the assault ones are slightly better, because inside 15" the standard ones are a LOT better.


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Another version with some small big tweaking. Removed two Lt and added power fists and some auto bolt rifles for the fun of it. And some other stuff...

 

Blood Angels

Primaris Brigade Detachment 1999 points

 

  92 - Primaris Captain, Power fist & Plasma pistol

145 - Chief Lib. Mephiston (primaris)

  77 - Primaris Chaplain

  70 - Primaris Lieutenant, MC Stalker Bolt rifle

 

  69 - Primaris Ancient

  90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

  90 - Reiver squad (5), Hv.Bolt pistol & Combat knoves, Grav Chutes

 

  94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

  85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

  89 - Intercessor squad (5), Power sword, Bolt rifles

  85 - Intercessor squad (5), Chainsword, Bolt rifles

  94 - Intercessor squad (5), Power fist, Bolt rifles

135 - Intercessor squad (7), Power fist, Auto Bolt rifles

 

177 - Inceptor squad (3), Plasma Exterminators

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters

123 - Inceptor squad (3), Assault Bolters

 

165 - Hellblaster squad (5), Plasma Incinerators

  98 - Eliminator squad (3), 1 Instigator bolt carbine, 2 Las-fusil, Camo-cloaks

  98 - Eliminator squad (3), 1 Instigator bolt carbine, 2 Las-fusil, Camo-cloaks

 

(Copying this list on first post.)


Edited by Spyros, 23 January 2020 - 03:23 PM.

"Whatever the Blood Angels' flaws, nowhere in the Imperium can truer servants of the Emperor be found." , Blood Angels Codex 5th ed.
"Although feared and mistrusted by those they protect, the Blood Angels continue to smash the Imperium's foes, compiling a battle history second to none.", Dark Millenium 7th ed.

"You underestimate our cousins, skald. Their gold and jewels mask a killer’s soul, and we would do well to remember that.", Helik Redknife, VI Legion ‘Vlka FenrykaCaptain

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Mephiston arrived, so I can start considering him in the equation.


"Whatever the Blood Angels' flaws, nowhere in the Imperium can truer servants of the Emperor be found." , Blood Angels Codex 5th ed.
"Although feared and mistrusted by those they protect, the Blood Angels continue to smash the Imperium's foes, compiling a battle history second to none.", Dark Millenium 7th ed.

"You underestimate our cousins, skald. Their gold and jewels mask a killer’s soul, and we would do well to remember that.", Helik Redknife, VI Legion ‘Vlka FenrykaCaptain

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