toaae Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Highlights: All chaplains lost a litany Lemarges has Black Rage again Sanguinary Priests have Angels of Death Flesh Tearers do not stack either the AP from the Assault doctrine. SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Link: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/8bad282d.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I've added the link to the resources topic. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanDutch Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) So the fixes we expected for Lemartes but apart from that we see nerfs. We don’t even get the revised relic stratagem and Dante’s chapter master rule is not as useful as normal space marines’. I know it’s complex tracking so many rules but I think this is a bad show from GW. I still appreciate the changes we’ve had though, don’t get me wrong. Edited January 6, 2020 by VanDutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Considering how many questions there were, that doesn’t seem like an awful lot. At least the rectified the obvious ones. Too bad for the Flesh Tearers though, their chapter trait is definitely worse than Red Thirst. Stacking with the Assault doctrine could’ve been big for them. PS to my post over in the BoB Tactica: Didn’t even notice the Litany part, I just thought it was a rewording at first. That actually hurts quite a bit. Do SM chaplains have the same restrictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The Flesh Tearers decision is just :cuss . I'm fully intending to complain about it to them. I don't even play Flesh Tearers myself but at this point it's just insult to injury. Also sad to see they didn't address the relic problem. SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neuralshock Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 RIP lemartes, Astorath is clear auto-take for most lists now. Too bad he can't squeeze in mantra of strength, I use exhortation of rage and canticle of hate normally SnorriSnorrison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 RIP lemartes, Astorath is clear auto-take for most lists now. Too bad he can't squeeze in mantra of strength, I use exhortation of rage and canticle of hate normally It gets worse, our regular JP chaplains don’t have any rule in the backhand to buff a shooting unit with the +1 to hit-litany if they also want to do Mantra of Strength, which is preferable on a JP chaplain. So double the chaplains or spam Astorath in every list... He was good before, now he’s just so much better it’s getting ridiculous. This is an unwise decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) I'm confused by the "Chaplains lost a litany" what is this referencing? Don't have access to books nor links atm. Also... How could they bone Flesh Tearers so badly....this is ridiculous. Krash Edited January 6, 2020 by Captain_Krash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toaae Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 I'm confused by the "Chaplains lost a litany" what is this referencing? Don't have access to books nor links atm. All the chaplain datasheets were changed to know one less litany. So instead of knowing Litany of hate + 3 more litanies, Astorath only knows Litany of Hate + 2 more. Captain_Krash 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Yea, losing a Litany is fairly Huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Also thr Faith and Fury FAQ is out, but no mention of if Blood Angels can make use of its Rules. And Chaplain Dreadnought from Forgeworld Imperial Armor is not updated to Allow for Blood Angels to use the New Litanies or Any Litanies for that matter with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Regards to the Chaplain Dreadnought. Opponents should understand intent. But in competitive matched play I could see the issue. 8th is getting really rules correction heavy at this point. Getting harder and harder to buy a new book to only have to switch how it plays a month later. Krash Edited January 6, 2020 by Captain_Krash BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 do codex space marines only get 1 litany plus litany of hate as well now? They still seem to have 2+hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Do they have a special extra for being Battleforged like we do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Do they have a special extra for being Battleforged like we do? what special extra do you mean? Ahhh our special one, somehow i thought that was just a choice and not automatic! been playing it wrong :D Edited January 6, 2020 by Blindhamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Invocation of Destruction. Sorry, had to look up the correct name :/ Edited January 6, 2020 by Jolemai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxamato Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 They all got a special litany in PA2 Faith&Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 They all got a special litany in PA2 Faith&Fury. So Blood Angels do infact have fewer litanies than everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxamato Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) No, all have the same amount. Every Chapter got there Chapter specific litany. Edited January 6, 2020 by Maxamato Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 No, all have the same amount. Every Chapter got there Chapter specific litany. Codes Space marines still has 2 + hate. Are the chapter specific ones in faith and fury optional (one of the 2) or are they in addtion (like the BA one) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxamato Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The normal Chappy form Codex SM knows 1 litany + hate. Cassius knows 2 + hate. The chapter specific are in addation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 A lot of disappointment from this FAQ. I just do not understand why they won't make Dante good. Or Seth for that matter. FT really got the shaft with this update also. Some good discussions here and in other places. I just disagree with the rules for some of these units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I cross-referenced Chaos SM Codex, Codex: SM 2.0, and Faith & Fury and Dark Apostles and Chaplains get base + know 1/cast 1. The Master of Sanctify Strat from F&F gives a Chaplain base+ know 2/chant 2. So it seems like Astorath is in line with other High Chapains and Lemartes has been knocked down to a “normal” chaplain when it comes to Litanies. We still don’t have to like it, but there is some precedence there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Also no mention if BA and/or DA and SW and also Deathwatch can use the stuff from Faith and Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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