Schlitzaf Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Black Templar: What You Need for 8th Edition I have noticed in real life, and on this forum, folks not knowing what books you need to play our boys in black with all of our relevant rules. We have our codex, PDF and three books with relevant rules to our boys. Alongside the associated FAQ’s for each book. Black Templar Rules Locations: Three types: 1)Main Course or Essential 2)Sides or additive rules to enhance our core rules 3)Junk or trash rules not valid to our boys ———————— “Main Course” Rules Rules essential for playing and enacting theme of Black Templars on the Table Top Mechanically Space Marine Codex (2019)- Core/Generic Marine Datasheets, strategems, warlord traits and litanies. Physic Awakening Faith & Fury - Black Templar Unique Datasheets (Helbrecht, EChampion Grimaldus, Cenobytes, and Crusader Squad), Chapter Strategems, Relics and Warlord Traits. Then Chapter Officers (Master of Sanctity, Forge and Apothacary). ——————— The “Sides” - Black Templars : These rules enhance the flavor but are not needed for simple themetic play. Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant - Black Templar Sword Brothern Specialist Detachment. Giving us rules for “Sword Brothern” Space Marine Legends - Various units of bygone eras, no longer in production but GW made non-changing rules not recommended for matched play. Forged World Index: Adeptus Astartes - Space Marine Forged World Datasheets such as chaplain dreadnought. —————— Junk or Rules a Templar DO NOT Need: These are books sometimes erronously cited as a needed for our boys in black. Just to reiterate WE DO NOT use these rules. Chapter Approved 2019 - None of our rules or point values were changed in this book. It does have surperior missions and just collected rules from Big FAQ Imperium Index 1 - Relevant entries moved to Space Marine Legend Space Marine Character PDF - Relavent entries moved to Faith and Fury Imperial Fist Supplement - As noted in Faith and Fury FAQ despite being a Fist Successor we DO NOT use these rules in any capacity ————— ————— Official Black Templar Sculpts & Kits in Production Two kinds of official games workshop ‘style’ kits relevant for Black Templars 1) Directly Black Templar Kits, designed for usage for our chapter 2) Kits with Templar Usable Bits and otherwise. Most notable of these kits are from Forged World Horus Heresy Line. These are contains that contain bits or models with Black Templar iconography and symbolism —————— Black Templar ‘specific’ Kits : Kits Designed for our Boys in Black. Most of these kits come from 4th Edition and as such both in scale construction they are designed with those scales of marines. Such as having pegs on back instead of front in case of our upgrade kit. Black Templar Chapter Upgrade: This is our chapter upgrade sprew and only kit we have in plastic. Its starting to show its age, but even for Primaris only Templar, it is compatible. Specifically, the heads and shoulder pads. The Shields also make suitable replacements for Primaris Knee Pads. Emperor’s Champion: A metal to finecast sculpts, has several unique elements, somewhat small compared to Primaris. Has a unique sword sculpt. High Marshal Helbrecht: Same as Emperor’s Champion above. A bit small, but otherwise is fine even if showing age. Chaplain Grimaldus and Cenobytes: Another Metal to Finecast sculpt. Has a similar scaling for Grimaldus himself. Cenobytes however are perfectly fine scale wise. Black Templar Sword Brothern: Our final Metal to Finecast Sculpt. Our only GW licensed sculpt without Datasheet associated rules. They have rules via Sword Brothern Specialist Detachment in Imperium Nihilus: Vigilus Defiant Black Templar Storm Shields: Black Templar FW Resin upgrade kit. Designed for use by Terminator Squads. Black Templar Black: A contrast paint designed to paint Black Templars quickly. While not a kit I felt it should be still noted in this section as a thing that exists ————— Non-Templar Kits with Templar Styled Bits: Kits that are made for other chapters but have been designed with prominent Black Templar motifs, that little or no conversions are needed. Imperial Fist Templar Brothern: A FW Resin Horus Heresy Kit, for creating a veteran unit for Imperial Fists in Heresy. It has several relevant and useful bits for Black Templars that lack a Fist iconography (and some that do but despite that can be reasonably utilized). First Company Captain Sigismund: A Forge World Resin Kit from its character series. Has little to no Imperial Fist Iconography, has a unique sword sculpt and more in scale with modern Marine kits. Easily usable by Black Templar. Imperial Fist Legion Command: Roughly half the kit (specifically not the banner model) is usable by our boys in Black. As only fist specific bit on that model is the shoulder pads and pack. The Banner model has beside pads, Fist icons on the torso and banner. Imperial Fist Horus Heresy Transfers: Another Forged World Item for Heresy. Has an appreciable number of easily usable Templar icons and heraldic symbols Various Deathwatch Kits: GW plastic Kits that come with Black Templar Shoulder Pads Edited January 10, 2020 by Schlitzaf Hymnblade, Captain_Krash and Kyliadan 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Good list. If I may make a recommendation, I would separate the Space Marine Codex and Faith and Fury into "Required Rules" and have Vigilus Defiant, Legends, and FW Index as "Additional Useful Rules". Only the first two books are necessary to actually playing Black Templars (bare minimum you could get away with just the codex although you'd lose the named characters and crusader squads). The other three books add flavor to the army, but are not required to play a BT army. Especially Legends and FW Index because those are only necessary if you're using the specific units located in there. Schlitzaf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Lovely 7 sources to play a addition to an army. Thanks GW Krash painting.for.my.sanity and Shamansky 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Realistically bluejay is right. It's two books. You can get by with a copy of four pages of Vigilus, battlescribe for the Forgeworld stuff and Legends is free at least. painting.for.my.sanity and Schlitzaf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 7, 2020 Author Share Posted January 7, 2020 Good list. If I may make a recommendation, I would separate the Space Marine Codex and Faith and Fury into "Required Rules" and have Vigilus Defiant, Legends, and FW Index as "Additional Useful Rules". Only the first two books are necessary to actually playing Black Templars (bare minimum you could get away with just the codex although you'd lose the named characters and crusader squads). The other three books add flavor to the army, but are not required to play a BT army. Especially Legends and FW Index because those are only necessary if you're using the specific units located in there. I thought about that initially, but didn’t in part because only required book is techenically C:SM and couldn’t think of good worded way to write a description, that be simple. Also Krash its only five, you DON’T need Index 1 or 2019 Chapter Approved. Sense nothing change for us in the latter. (Index 1 is nice because legend is basically copy and paste of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Legends does have some changes from Index one though, so it's best to ignore the Index(since it's not longer valid) and just download Legends, which is free. Schlitzaf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) Realistically bluejay is right. It's two books. You can get by with a copy of four pages of Vigilus, battlescribe for the Forgeworld stuff and Legends is free at least. Its a Smartphone and some five or seven Pages of stratagems whose pointscosts and effects You can write down in a Word document. If You are really cheap You can find These for free on review sites and Videos. Seriously You dont even Need the Codex to play. in a world where battlescribe is a thing You can get away with Just the Data cards or a Home Made list of strats. Edited January 8, 2020 by Marshal Vespasian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Krash Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) You 100% need a codex to play...everyone does, or else you shouldn't be playing the army in any form of environment. Battlescribe is not always a reliable source for points or rules. (Edit for clarity: Battlescribe is still a great resource though.) Krash Edited January 9, 2020 by Captain_Krash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Realistically bluejay is right. It's two books. You can get by with a copy of four pages of Vigilus, battlescribe for the Forgeworld stuff and Legends is free at least. Its a Smartphone and some five or seven Pages of stratagems whose pointscosts and effects You can write down in a Word document. If You are really cheap You can find These for free on review sites and Videos. Seriously You dont even Need the Codex to play. in a world where battlescribe is a thing You can get away with Just the Data cards or a Home Made list of strats. Please do not rely on battlescribe exclusively. We do our best to make sure everything is right but we are only human and we do make mistakes. Captain_Krash and Hadda 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Some events also won't let you rely on 3rd party sources for information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) My Point is: Take a chill Pill in the "Look at all my books thing". Realisticly You will own the Codex and know the most Important rules and profiles anyways. I dont think that I have Opener the rulesbooks for anything but reading over stratagem wordings in my Last few games. So You will get away with a Cheat Sheet/copied Pages or a battlescribe list, If there books is too much to carry. Ace: battlescribe ist more exact with its wording than the German GW Translation Team. One of the guys from my club preordered c:sm 2.0 and teeth of Terra did 1d3 attacks again instead of three Edited January 10, 2020 by Marshal Vespasian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 My Point is: Take a chill Pill in the "Look at all my books thing". Realisticly You will own the Codex and know the most Important rules and profiles anyways. I dont think that I have Opener the rulesbooks for anything but reading over stratagem wordings in my Last few games. So You will get away with a Cheat Sheet/copied Pages or a battlescribe list, If there books is too much to carry. Ace: battlescribe ist more exact with its wording than the German GW Translation Team. One of the guys from my club preordered c:sm 2.0 and teeth of Terra did 1d3 attacks again instead of three :lol: Well, that's because we use the English codexes when we type in the text for rules on battlescribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 Updated OP; added kits and other items about our boys in black. And made the OP Clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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