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Getting into 30k more and more. Here is a list i have been pouring over for a month.

Non-comp. non-tourney.


++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Praetor, Legion [155pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot, Paragon Blade
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Warsmith

Primus Medicae [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul
. . Primus Medicae
. Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Elites +

Terminator Squad, Legion [685pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Armoured Ceramite, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Plasma Blaster
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Plasma Blaster
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox, Vexilla, Legion
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs

+ Heavy Support +

Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [500pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [395pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [395pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Ironfire

++ Total: [3,000pts] ++


For refference, I will probably be playing against or allied with frater Cajunjynx and either his alpha legion or his 1ksons for which he has shared lists with the B&C already.

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That's quite a firepower you have here! I guess it's only apropriate for an Iron Warrior. I'd advise the following:

- Your guys don't give a damn about morale as it is and it's only amplified by the Ironfire. I don't think you will have much use for all that Vexilia. Incidentally there is another much needed upgrade that costs the same - Artificer Armour.

- I counted 9 Terminators. Should this hold true, then the second Blaster is illegal.

- For vehicles like Vindicators staying mobile is staying alive and kicking. Dozer Blade might prevent some tragic accidents, like getting immobilized first turn deep into your deployment zone. I think it's worth taking.

- Lastly, while firepower is impressive, I'm somehow concerned that you only have one artillery unit. Powerful one but still singular. I think that Quad Launchers are excellent addition to the Ironfire as they have better range than Medusas and are rather cheap. Your call obviously but I'd rather have some more artillery.

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Ah. Drat. I had 10 termies and was adjusting things and removed one and forgot about the blaster...


Edited by Canadian_F_H, 05 March 2020 - 05:06 AM.


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Alright. So, to get more barrage weapons, i still want an entirely armour and mounted infantry force, so i dropped 1 squadron of vindicators for an achilles land raider. And gave the other vindicators aux drives.

The tech marine's name is "achilles land raider automated repair system" aka, he lives and dies in that landraider. Lol

Dropped the vexillas, and added artificer armour sgts.

Still looking for points for dozer blades

++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++

+ HQ +

Praetor, Legion [155pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot, Paragon Blade
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Warsmith

Primus Medicae [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul
. . Primus Medicae
. Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Elites +

Techmarine Covenant [35pts]
. Techmarine, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm

Terminator Squad, Legion [710pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Armoured Ceramite, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Plasma Blaster
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Plasma Blaster
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [185pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Bolter, Melta Bombs

+ Heavy Support +

Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider [305pts]
. Quad Launcher: Quad Launcher (Incendiary), Quad Launcher (Shatter)

Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [500pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [425pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Ironfire

++ Total: [3,000pts] ++

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The list is looking pretty well-rounded at this stage, but I've got some questions about it:

1) What's the techmarine doing in the list? Just not sure what his purpose is beyond repairing Medusa when they get hurt.

2) 4 Tactical Squads is a lot, good for holding objectives but you need some more long range anti-armour, so dropping to 3 squads and taking some rapiers might be useful for that.
3) What's the Achilles doing? It's a lovely unit but seems a bit odd in the list, so unsure what's the use for it there.

4) You are gonna want some more power fists in the terminator unit, as the power axes will have issues against dreadnoughts and ID'ing things like Firedrakes and spooky terminators with 2 wounds.

 

Aside from that it's looking like a solid start so far!


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The tech marine rides in the achilles to repair it. The achilles and medusas have low to zero scatter barrage templates when targetting in proximity to the tactical squads, who will all havr fearless when within 6" of previous bombardments. Its how iron fire works. The achilles and spartan also mean i have 2 tough nuts to crack in the army (as the warlord preator inside the spartan can also make repair rolls until he decides to debark)

I do not want to ever own any of the infantry batteries. I dont like the models and that rules the out. Besides i am going for a full armour/mechanized theme so that also rules them out.

I was considering a future alt list where i drop one tactical squad and sub in a squad of havocs with anti tank weapons. Other things would need to change to free up points tho. Honestly might ditch the 2 plasma blasters in the terminator squad as i didnt have a specific reason for taking them.

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I'm familiar with Ironfire, I run it in almost every game. The issue is the warsmith can't repair as he does not have a servo arm, so no repairs on the Spartan. Lack of a flare shield on that Spartan means it'll die against lascannons or quad mortars very easily. A squad of Havocs with lascannons can kill an unshielded Spartan a turn.

The Achilles is nice, but people will ignore it. It's got shatter shells which are fun, but the incendiary isn't threatening so people will focus on the Spartan and just accept the fire the Achilles will be kicking out.

If you're against rapiers then potentially a Mortis with lascannons as that fits with the mech theme still, or a sicaran if you can free up a heavy support slot.

You're gonna have a hard time keeping ironfire markers in place though, because once those medusas are gone then the Achilles has to fire frag every turn until it dies if you wanna keep those 6" fearless bubbles, but again beyond the terminator squad not much is taking advantage of them beyond being really resilient objective holders.

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Hmmm.

I will look over the list and see what shakes out.

Battle scribe says the warsmith can repair vehicles on a 5+ without the servo arm, and that a servo arm gives him +1 on repair rolls.

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You only get the battlesmith rule when you purchase the servo arm, just double checked in the legions book.

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++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [2,995pts] ++

+ HQ +

Praetor, Legion [190pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot, Paragon Blade
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Warsmith: Servo-arm

Primus Medicae [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul
. . Primus Medicae
. Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Elites +

Techmarine Covenant [35pts]
. Techmarine, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Axe, Servo-arm

Terminator Squad, Legion [735pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Flare Shield, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [195pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [195pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Fist

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [195pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Artificer Armour, Power Fist

+ Heavy Support +

Achilles-Alpha Pattern Land Raider [305pts]
. Quad Launcher: Quad Launcher (Incendiary), Quad Launcher (Shatter)

Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [500pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [515pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Auxiliary Drive, Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Ironfire

++ Total: [2,995pts] ++

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Ok. I have a team game coming up this Saturday.

3000 points per player, 2 vs 2.

My ally is Cajunjynx. I will link his list.

http://www.bolterand...48#entry5544848


Anyways. Here is my current list. This one did really well in the last team game.


++ Crusade (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [3,000pts] ++

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Praetor, Legion [200pts]: Combi-Bolter, Digital Lasers, Divining Blades, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour

Primus Medicae [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul
. . Primus Medicae
. Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Elites +

Terminator Squad, Legion [655pts]
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Spartan Assault Tank, Legion: Armoured Ceramite, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield, Frag Assault Launchers, Quad Lascannon Sponsons x2, Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

Tactical Squad, Legion , Compulsory [215pts]: Bolters, 9x Tactical Space Marines, Legion
. Additional Wargear: Additional Chainswords/Combat Blades, Nuncio-vox
. Rhino Armoured Carrier, Legion: Dozer Blade, Extra Armour
. Tactical Sergeant, Legion: Bolter, Melta Bombs
. . Power Weapon: Power Axe

+ Heavy Support +

Arquitor Bombard [450pts]
. Legion Arquitor Bombard: Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter, Hull-Mounted Morbus Heavy Bombard, Shrapnel Bolts
. Legion Arquitor Bombard: Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter, Hull-Mounted Morbus Heavy Bombard, Shrapnel Bolts
. Legion Arquitor Bombard: Extra Armour, Heavy Bolter, Hull-Mounted Morbus Heavy Bombard, Shrapnel Bolts

Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [420pts]
. Basilisk, Legion: Shrapnel Bolts
. Basilisk, Legion: Shrapnel Bolts
. Basilisk, Legion: Shrapnel Bolts

Vindicator Siege Tank Squadron, Legion [500pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Machine Spirit
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Machine Spirit
. Vindicator Tank, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Demolisher Cannon, Dozer Blade, Extra Armour, Machine Spirit

+ Allegiance +

Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor

Rite of War: The Ironfire

+ Use Playtest Rules +

Use Playtest Rules: Playtest Rules On

++ Total: [3,000pts] ++
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It’s a parking lot until things start exploding.
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Heh. This list yields a lot of explosions, no matter which side of it you are on. You know this... Lol.
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i just had a thought...

 

what are we supposed to use as markers for the Iron Fire?  how big are they supposed to be?  a lot of distances are supposed to be measured to and from these markers.



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I just use 25mm bases with little flame markers on them, I don't think the size really matters, but I wouldn't go for anything bigger than 25mm or a little crystal shard you can get from Hobbycraft in big jars or something...


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Like most iron fire lists, if you go first it'll be powerful. If you don't, you'll be battered. I get the appeal, but is it fun for both parties?

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Like most iron fire lists, if you go first it'll be powerful. If you don't, you'll be battered. I get the appeal, but is it fun for both parties?


every game i've played with my Iron Warriors, IronFire army seems to have been very fun for everyone.  idk.  the local HH group is really good at having fun tho. 



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Like most iron fire lists, if you go first it'll be powerful. If you don't, you'll be battered. I get the appeal, but is it fun for both parties?


every game i've played with my Iron Warriors, IronFire army seems to have been very fun for everyone. idk. the local HH group is really good at having fun tho.

Except last night when the dice were very much against me.

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Like most iron fire lists, if you go first it'll be powerful. If you don't, you'll be battered. I get the appeal, but is it fun for both parties?


every game i've played with my Iron Warriors, IronFire army seems to have been very fun for everyone. idk. the local HH group is really good at having fun tho.

Except last night when the dice were very much against me.

 

 

hahaha!  yeah.  you could say your dice abandoned you ...  or I could say I just out played you! 

 

Perhaps your dice are just not happy you are working on Tzeentch Demons?






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