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Why no start collecting box set for dark angels


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Can anyone find or theorize a reason why we don't have one?

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The DA boxes were always Ravenwing based, Primaris don't have that gear yet, so no box. Just my guess.

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The RW box had good value. I predict a primaris based RW one once they fill out more with FA units. 


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I'd say because right now there are no Primaris units in the Ravenwing or Deathwing. So, minus the upgrade sprue, there is nothing they can put in a Start Collecting box.

I'd like to see an Intercessor squad and one unit of Ravenwing and one unit of Deathwing primaris.
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yeah, they probably don't want or see the sale potential for a box that is just gonna be greenwing, with upgrade sprues.

 

When Primaris get their own TD style armor, and bikes/speeders, we might see a box set.


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yeah, they probably don't want or see the sale potential for a box that is just gonna be greenwing, with upgrade sprues.

When Primaris get their own TD style armor, and bikes/speeders, we might see a box set.


Idk you could do a pretty good box set, for example you could do 5 scouts, 3 inceptors, 5 veterans, a drop pod and captain lazarus.

You basically have a scout squad and a commander who call down plasma and melee brawlers from on high

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They won't make a non-primaris boxset anymore. Tactical marines and scouts will be slowly removed from production


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The more cross over there is for more mass appeal the better.

 

Even though the RG have the best chapter tactic for the Vanguard box, most marine players would potentially be interested in that set.

 

Same goes for the IF set, being that it was the set with the new Intercessor upgrades.

 

I expect that the "Dark Angels" release will really just be the Primaris fast attack start collection.

I expect that GW will give the TDA themed start collecting box to a different codex release.

 

I'm not trying to start a DW / RW war over which company is more iconic DA.



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Because the Dark Angels are part of Chaos and Chaos, as everyone knows, gets left in the dark corner closet.



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There's me thinking they got some lovely miniatures in a box set a while back... wow time flies :)


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The more cross over there is for more mass appeal the better.

 

Even though the RG have the best chapter tactic for the Vanguard box, most marine players would potentially be interested in that set.

 

Same goes for the IF set, being that it was the set with the new Intercessor upgrades.

 

I expect that the "Dark Angels" release will really just be the Primaris fast attack start collection.

I expect that GW will give the TDA themed start collecting box to a different codex release.

 

I'm not trying to start a DW / RW war over which company is more iconic DA.

 

I do not really expect there ever to be a Deathwing Starter Set, at all. It has nothing to do with the power of one wing over the other, really. I see it as just a bad decision to go that way, when a fast attack force has much more use in most marine armies, and as such, is something that would sell much better.

 

Noone is going to be stocking up on lots of terminators (or whatever their equivalent might be down the line), I think.

 

But most everyone would care for more bikes, more speeders, and the like. You can make a list with two or even three squads of bikes, easy. Plenty of good reasons to do so. A list with two or three squads of terminators? Not so much.


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Because the Dark Angels are part of Chaos and Chaos, as everyone knows, gets left in the dark corner closet.

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GW had the chance to make a SC:DA after 7th edition codex when the new IC landed
They had specific DA bikers, specific DW terminators, soecifuc DA character in plastic so enough to put in a box but they decided to not do it and i can guess why
BA and SW and codex marines all had a specific TROOP dedicated box while DA never had
Our specific kits are all in the FA, HS, Elite HQ slots and start collecting boxes Always have One HQ One troop and another kit and they are ALL specific to the faction
So this is why IMHO DA never had a SC box cause our troops option are represented by the basic tactical squad you can already find in SC:SM

So the SC:DA in Just to buy SC:SM and a couple of DA detail sprues
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They could have done a DA SC box with a Tac squad and 2 upgrade sprues, 1 black knights squad and the plastic Interrogator Chaplain as HQ, that would have been good.
There are classic marine SC boxes for normal SM and BA, I don’t think the argument that they won’t do any more classic SC boxes holds water. I suppose they didn’t see a need for it for DA.

As for when Primaris land speeders and bikers come out, there is no way the Primaris land speeder lookalike is going to be in an SC box. From the leaked picture it is a lot bigger than a regular speeder, more like LS Vengeance sized. It’s sure to be overly expensive as well like all the other Primaris vehicles.

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They could have done a DA SC box with a Tac squad and 2 upgrade sprues, 1 black knights squad and the plastic Interrogator Chaplain as HQ, that would have been good.
There are classic marine SC boxes for normal SM and BA, I don’t think the argument that they won’t do any more classic SC boxes holds water. I suppose they didn’t see a need for it for DA.

As for when Primaris land speeders and bikers come out, there is no way the Primaris land speeder lookalike is going to be in an SC box. From the leaked picture it is a lot bigger than a regular speeder, more like LS Vengeance sized. It’s sure to be overly expensive as well like all the other Primaris vehicles.

The BA box have a dedicated tactical squad and the dedicated Terminator captain with a predator Baal
The SW start collecting has the Wolf oack dedicated box plus a multipart captain (in the Wolf pack box you have enough leftovers to modify the captain too and a pack of thunderwolves cavalry

You see the pattern? Only dedicated kits and no upgrade sprue
For DA as you would need a upgrade sprue for the tactical squad and the SC:SM has kits that DA can use too (Terminator captain, tactical, venerabile dread) the SC:DA Is SC:SM + 1 DA upgrade sprue

I know it's not the best thing but this is what we have
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GW had the chance to make a SC:DA after 7th edition codex when the new IC landed
They had specific DA bikers, specific DW terminators, soecifuc DA character in plastic so enough to put in a box but they decided to not do it and i can guess why
BA and SW and codex marines all had a specific TROOP dedicated box while DA never had
Our specific kits are all in the FA, HS, Elite HQ slots and start collecting boxes Always have One HQ One troop and another kit and they are ALL specific to the faction
So this is why IMHO DA never had a SC box cause our troops option are represented by the basic tactical squad you can already find in SC:SM

So the SC:DA in Just to buy SC:SM and a couple of DA detail sprues


So Dark Angels remains the most unique and complex chapter, which is why I love them so.
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Tactical marines and scouts will be slowly removed from production

 

Can we stop spreading fake news out of thin air ? Firstborn are going nowhere.


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Tactical marines and scouts will be slowly removed from production

 

Can we stop spreading fake news out of thin air ? Firstborn are going nowhere.

 

It is unlikely, but not impossible. It could happen, eventually. But it's not probable.


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Tactical marines and scouts will be slowly removed from production

 

Can we stop spreading fake news out of thin air ? Firstborn are going nowhere.

 

They are going, it's only a matter of time. Some day they will be retired as GW will stop producing them eventually. Not saying it is now, not in two years, but at some point.


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That applies to every model kit eventually.

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Yeah, but the shelf life of primaris can currently be expected to be far greater than that of a regular box of tactical marines


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They won’t make a start collecting marine kit that isn’t Primaris. I mean the space wolf one has nothing even specific to space wolves (bar primaris character)

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Yeah, but the shelf life of primaris can currently be expected to be far greater than that of a regular box of tactical marines

 

Depends on the kit and when it was released really.  Many of the core classic marine kits are still fairly new and only came out 2 to 4 years before the first premaris, i expect them to have a similar shelf life to the previous tactical kit until the molds wear out.



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Yeah, but the shelf life of primaris can currently be expected to be far greater than that of a regular box of tactical marines

Depends on the kit and when it was released really. Many of the core classic marine kits are still fairly new and only came out 2 to 4 years before the first premaris, i expect them to have a similar shelf life to the previous tactical kit until the molds wear out.
It all depends on how much GW wants to push the primaris kits
IMHO we will see someday the oldmarines kits going to direct only first and then to pdf like the good old bike chaplain
It will require several years though

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Technically speaking, we already have a box with Dark Vengeance being re-released. If it's not on the GW store, then you can be sure you can find it on eBay. Pretty sure there are both Ravenwing/Deathwing in that box too. 

 

The other far-fetched possibility, is that there already is a box, but that box will be released with the return of the Lion. Think about it for a moment. How "right" would it be that the primaris start-collecting DA box was released with the Lion's return? It would also from the Lore perspective be the final ingredient needed to bridge the trust issues between the Firstborn DA and Primaris DA. 

 

To my knowledge, the Dark Imperium box was shortly before/after Roboute's resurrection was announced. You could almost say that is the pattern GW is following lately. Wouldn't be surprised if PA5 (Saga of the Wolf) something similar happens. Combine that with the hints that the Lion might be the next one to return (obvious Space Wolf and White Scar heresy aside), and I think that's the answer why we don't have anything modern. I personally wouldn't hold my breath, though.  


Edited by Knight-Master Skywrath, 15 February 2020 - 03:28 PM.





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