Command Squads in Zone Mortalis Lists

[Cris R]

Hi Folks,

 

Quick question: can you take a Terminator Command Squad in a Zone Mortalis list? I'm assuming no since you can only take one HQ for the three ZM force org charts but wanted to check to make sure.

 

Thanks!

[The Ironic Warrior]

If you take a terminator Praetor, Delegatus or a special character with Master of the Legion you can indeed. They just have to be your warlord is the only requirement.

[Slips]

If you take something like a Praetor, then, yes, you can because they occupy the same singular HQ slot as the HQ they are taken for.

[The Ironic Warrior]

If you take something like a Praetor, then, yes, you can because they occupy the same singular HQ slot as the HQ they are taken for.

Don't forget Delegatii lol

[Cris R]

My list has a Delegatus, so it looks like a command squad will be joining me in battle. Battlescribe's iOS app doesn't let me add a command squad to a Delegatus in a ZM list, but I'll email their team to figure this out. Thanks everyone!

Edited February 6, 2020 by Cris R

[The Ironic Warrior]

Let us know how it goes, the list looks solid (I checked on your other thread)

[Cris R]

Thanks Ironic Warrior! Which list were you referring to? The Blood Angels or Dark Angels one?

[Indefragable]

Piggybacking off this topic, in BattleScribe whenever I add Raldoron as my HQ it gives errors saying I still need a “Compulsory HQ”...

 

...glitch or does Ral somehow not qualify as Compulsory?

[TheCelticRaven]

Piggybacking off this topic, in BattleScribe whenever I add Raldoron as my HQ it gives errors saying I still need a “Compulsory HQ”...

 

...glitch or does Ral somehow not qualify as Compulsory?

battlescribe has an issue atm

[Kareoto]

Hello, guys, have a follow-up for this topic, with some additional questions, that might be bizarre in some way.

Could you please accept or deny with any sufficient reference:

 

a) As the Retinue rule changed in the FAQ v.1.1, can the Command Squad (CS) be treated as a separate Unit on a table, not joining their Warlord?

 

-It used to be "... , but do not have to be deployed with them (Warlord options) and are treated as a separate unit during a game." 

-Now it's  "Retinue: A single Legion Command Squad may be chosen as a retinue for a Legion Praetor, Primarch, or Legion special character with the Master of the Legion special rule which is also your Army’s Warlord. They may not be taken as part of an army on their own, instead sharing a Force Organisation chart choice with the Warlord they are selected for, nor do they add to the points of a Primarch when determining Lords of War and the 25% rule"

 

Since the rule was replaced, not amended, can we say that the CS lost an ability to act separately?  

 

b  ) Going forward, is a CS still a Unit itself? Does it give a killing point when it's relevant? 

 

Contrary to Techmarine, whose Servo-automata count as wargear, I suggest the retinue CS is still a Unit by all means as it's a squad, presented in an SM Army List. So it has to give a point when killed.

 

c) In case a Primarch has a retinue CS, do we follow the 'Mixed Toughness rule' on shooting wounds and ordinary Fight Sub-Phase, but skip it on Challenge?

 

- As Challenge says "... they always use the WS and T of their opponent", that sounds as only in Challenge we don't preserve  'Mixed Toughness rule'.

 

d) Double-check that a Delegatus can't have a CS.

 

- Since he's not presented in updated Retinue rule.

Edited July 29, 2020 by Kareoto

[Gorgoff]

CS doesn't loose their ability to act in their own because that isn't written anywhere and since they are a regular unit I don't see any reason why they shouldn't.

 

Mixed toughness doesn't come to play in challenges.

 

B) CS gives up killpoints because they are still a unit.

 

D) don't know but in all honesty don't care either because I think a CS is a waste of points anyway.

[The Ironic Warrior]

Hello, guys, have a follow-up for this topic, with some additional questions, that might be bizarre in some way.

Could you please accept or deny with any sufficient reference:

 

a) As the Retinue rule changed in the FAQ v.1.1, can the Command Squad (CS) be treated as a separate Unit on a table, not joining their Warlord?

 

-It used to be "... , but do not have to be deployed with them (Warlord options) and are treated as a separate unit during a game." 

-Now it's  "Retinue: A single Legion Command Squad may be chosen as a retinue for a Legion Praetor, Primarch, or Legion special character with the Master of the Legion special rule which is also your Army’s Warlord. They may not be taken as part of an army on their own, instead sharing a Force Organisation chart choice with the Warlord they are selected for, nor do they add to the points of a Primarch when determining Lords of War and the 25% rule"

 

Since the rule was replaced, not amended, can we say that the CS lost an ability to act separately?  

 

b  ) Going forward, is a CS still a Unit itself? Does it give a killing point when it's relevant? 

 

Contrary to Techmarine, whose Servo-automata count as wargear, I suggest the retinue CS is still a Unit by all means as it's a squad, presented in an SM Army List. So it has to give a point when killed.

 

c) In case a Primarch has a retinue CS, do we follow the 'Mixed Toughness rule' on shooting wounds and ordinary Fight Sub-Phase, but skip it on Challenge?

 

- As Challenge says "... they always use the WS and T of their opponent", that sounds as only in Challenge we don't preserve  'Mixed Toughness rule'.

 

d) Double-check that a Delegatus can't have a CS.

 

- Since he's not presented in updated Retinue rule.

Gorgoff covered those questions nicely, but in answer to the last one, yes a Delegatus can still take a Command Squad.

 

The reason being, in the original retinue rule he was never mentioned anyway - the only change was mentioning Primarchs are included and that you can only do it for your Warlord. Delegatii have a special rule that overrides this and allows them to take a Command Squad despite not being on the list of elligible characters. The reasoning for this (I suspect) is futureproofing as they don't want to list absolutely every single model who can take one in case they add new stuff and it causes confusion. But using the logic some people have with this question, Delegatii were technically never able to take CS in the first place (which is of course silly).

 

So to summarise, yes Delegatii can take Command Squads because the Retinue rule change doesn't affect their own special rule.

[Kareoto]

Thanks, guys, for your response! Really appreciate it. If you find any counter-arguments as well, I'll be interested as well. @Slips, do you also agree with the statements above?