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...It's time, brothers.
 
I've hit SERIOUS writer's block with all my plans for the XI Legion and their potential successors, and the call of the Stonebound grows stronger and stronger, beckoning me with promises of eternal glory. Again. And I'm fairly sure I'm going to mess it up. Again. sweat.gif wallbash.gif
 
Still... it's been ten years since my first attempt at creating the Stonebound.
 
I surely owe it to everyone who's ever commented on past iterations of the Stonebound to at least try and complete my boys in brown, and hopefully do the Chapter justice.
 
There's a real, tangible difference between this and my previous attempts at a Dwarf-themed Chapter, too.
 
This time, I know exactly what I want, and what I don't need. I don't need any complications, I need to keep it all simple, and I need to keep it all Dwarfy.
 
That said, I need to avoid going MAXIMUM DWARF if possible, because there is such a thing as over-theming. Balance, as always, is the key! I think I've gotten better at that over the last couple of years, so now it's time to put myself to the test once more.
 
War with Orks, lost worlds, lost treasures, and vengeance undying. Sounds Dwarfy enough to me, so; on with the outline!
 
 
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* Inspirations: Tolkien's Dwarves, Warhammer Fantasy's Dwarfs and the proud and mighty Dwarves of Dwarf Fortress in roughly that order. Possibly some Discworld Dwarf stuff added as seasoning if required, unsure here.
 
* Sixth Founding, Imperial Fists geneseed (it was inevitable), assigned to The Glastheim Rifts to take back worlds for the Imperium.

* Take a homeworld (Kharabor, or 'Keystone' in Gothic), but also over time establish Chapter keeps on dozens of other worlds, possibly even recruitment rights on a few also to help supply the Chapter in their widespread war against the Orks.

* Eventually have keeps, recruitment bases, forges, outposts etc on dozens of worlds all over the subsector, manned by serfs, with important worlds getting a squad of marines on a semi-permanent basis. Huge success, the Chapter is touted as a glorious and worthy force for good and right across the segmentum.

* Heretic uprisings start destabilizing reclaimed worlds, and the Stonebound scramble to meet this internal threat, spreading themselves thin throughout their territory.

* Everything changed when the Fire Nation Greenskins attacked.

* Galgor Toof-robba, Prophet of Mork (or Gork) unites a vast army under a single banner through his charisma and flawless Orky rhetoric, convincing the otherwise disparate Ork clans that:

a] They're already dead, living in Gork (or Mork)'s promised paradise, where there is everything an Ork could want, even tough enemies to fight.
b] Since they're already dead, they can't die, and instead will return to the Last World, where they'd previously been better and Orkier than everyone else.
c] The Stonebound exist as a test for the Orks to see if they're still Orky and 'Ard enough for Gork or Mork's favour - to flee such a test would get them kicked out of paradise.

* The Stonebound fight hard, but underestimate both the numbers and the ruthless low cunning of their foe, and while The Chapter is spread so thinly , a massive horde launches a surprise attack on Kharabor.

* The Stonebound lose Kharabor, and half their number die in rushed attempts to retake it.

* This, along with the other misdeeds of the vile orks and insidious heretics , gets carved onto 'grudge-stones', which the Chapter treat as the physical incarnation of their dishonour, to be ritually broken when the grudge engraved on such a stone is avenged.

* There are soon a LOT of these stones, because the Orks have momentum on their side and start taking other worlds all over the subsector, including many of the Stonebound's Keeps and outposts.

* The Chapter, growing desperate, makes a new home on the icy, mountainous world of Kagara (or 'Mountainhome' in Gothic), vowing that this is the world where the Chapter will either forge their legacy or dig their graves, until the day that Kharabor is reclaimed.

* The Stonebound and the orks are locked in eternal struggle, broken only by occasional interference by the Heretics in the Glsatheim Rifts. The formation of the Silver Circle, with five othr Chapters forming a border guard around the Glastheim Rifts, gives the Stonebound more chance to focus on retaking their homeworld.

* The orks (and sometimes heretics) continue to lock the Stonebound in a grinding, difficult conflict. Eventually, on the world of [NAME PENDING], The Stonebound attempt to establish a keep, and awaken a foul being in the world's depths, dragging an ancient, half-forgotten dynasty of Necron into the battle.


* Endless stalemate, in short. Until...

*Though the Stonebound are initially highly sceptical of them, Primaris marines have finally given the Chapter the means to tip the scales against the hated Orks. The Campaign to reclaim Kharabor, and thus shatter the oldest Grudge-Stone once and for all, is no longer a mere dream, but a real possibility. So, Grudgingly (how else?), the Stonebound begin to accept the Primaris marines as their kin.

* Note to self: Must use the sidebar Octavulg graciously created hand-forged in its' entirety, otherwise he will rise from his slumber to break my ribs in several places and cast my ruined carcass into the endless depths below the earth

* Typical Stonebound marine: Stoic, insular, honour-bound (by their own metric) and intensely loyal to their brothers. Possessed of a burning, righteous hatred for all orks.

* Stonebound as a Chapter: The Stonebound never forget a debt - for good or ill. The Stonebound are slow to trust, but are extremely reliable allies to the lucky few that can call them friend. Master artisans who make exemplary weapons and armour, though much of their best gear is either lost to orks or - more rarely - kept buried in long-forgotten Chapter keeps that the Orks haven't yet been able to loot.

* Homeworld: Gone is the old, over-complicated Kagara of my last draft; instead it's a basic world of inhospitable ice and snow, with ancient underground roads, cities and passages constructed during the lost golden age of humanity. Now inhabited by tech-worshipping primitives, who fight gribbly creatures in the dark places, or each other when the Great Cities go to war.

* Beliefs: Share in the dream of a united humanity and a galaxy with no greenskins in it. The Chapter practically views vengeance as a holy act. The breaking of a Grudge-Stone is considered a cause for celebration, and usually a feast to honour the dead and the brave. The Stonebound venerate those who came before them, with great pride in their lineage, ancestry and history. They venerate the Emperor as the "Ultimate Ancestor", the very pinnacle of humanity, and think of Dorn much the same way Tolkien's Dwarves think of Durin - being able to trace their lineage to Dorn himself is a massive point of pride to the Chapter.

* Combat Doctrine: Slow, methodical, with a whole lot of massed firepower. Fast attack units are used mostly as support for flanks, or otherwise kept behind the inexorably advancing front line. Assault units are mostly reserved for counter-charges and finishing off weakened enemies that would otherwise impede the battle-line's progress. Axes are a favoured melee weapon in the Chapter, derived from the 'half-pickaxe-half-battleaxe' common to miners and warriors of Kagara. Centurion Suits with Siege Hammers are a favoured tool of the Chapter for breaking through particularly stubborn enemy defences.

* Organisation: First Company "Redshields" have different heraldry from the rest of the Chapter. They also have individual shields engraved with notable deeds, battle honours, grudges avenged, and the marine's personal heraldry. The Fortress Monastery on Kagara is lined with the shields of dead battle-brothers. Librarians are renamed "Sages" and are responsible for a Company's Grudge-Stones. The Chapter's Dreadnoughts are nicknamed the Ironbound, and treated with the reverence due to a mighty, venerable warrior encased in a masterfully built death machine. Otherwise, Codex-standard Organisation. Weapons that were used to slay notable enemies or settle a Grudge are embellished, given a unique name, and added to the Chapter's listed reliquary, considered rightful treasures of the Chapter for evermore.

* Geneseed: 100% Dorn, no notable mutations or flaws beyond Vanilla Fists. Willing to take suggestions if this bit's too boring, but honestly don't know what to add.

* Battlecry: "I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE" - recited as a litany as the line advances

* Battlecry: "Death is all around us. This does not frighten me." - recited as a litany as the line advances

* Battlecry: "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken!" - recited as a litany as the line advances
 
* Heraldry: Rich brown armour, cream-coloured shoulders. First company has red shoulders with cream trim instead. A pair of crossed axes for the Chapter badge, although part of me is wondering if crossed pickaxes would be better or worse...wacko.png
 
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As with all my Chapters, I'm happy to hear any thoughts, ideas or other C&C you all might have.
 
Does this sound like a worthwhile Chapter, or should I take this old relic of an idea back to the drawing board again? ermm.gif

EDIT 17/02/2020:
The Re-Forging Process Continues - I've moved the Stonebound to my Glastheim Rifts setting (with all the myriad enemies, allies, politics and general trouble that entails). No Eldar enemies, but there are dirty scheming heretics aplenty to add machinations and schemes to keep the Stonebound and the orks fighting FOREVER.

… I may have also added the stirrings of a Necron Dynasty to add to the !!FUN!! around Kharabor.

So much for "Keep it simple", eh?

I'm always happy to hear thoughts and opinions, so please make your voice heard if any of the updates strike you as good or terrible ideas!

I'm expecting mostly they fall on the side of "terrible", but then at least I'm being consistent with the Stonebound, right?


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Ideas:

1) Widespread use of Centurion warsuits (proportioned much like a dwarf), modified to let the wearer wield power axes and thunder hammers.

2) Vanilla Marines have metal "beards" fixed to their helmets, as throat protectors (see samurai helmets).

3) Instead of carving grudges into stone, do so in the metal a melee weapon is made of. A grudge is considered "avenged" when this weapon is buried in the offending enemy's vital organs; afterwards, the enemy leader's skull (or its reproduction, if the skull was crushed or otherwise unusable) is sheathed in metal and used to decorate the weapon the grudge was originally carved in.

4) Squats (made with Warhammer Fantasy or Age of Sigmar models) as Chapter allies and auxiliaries (have them count as AdMech Skitarii in-game, to account for the Dwarves' hardiness).
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Ideas:

1) Widespread use of Centurion warsuits (proportioned much like a dwarf), modified to let the wearer wield power axes and thunder hammers.


I was unsure about this until the words "Siege Hammers" popped into my head, and now I am very much about this idea. biggrin.png

 

2) Vanilla Marines have metal "beards" fixed to their helmets, as throat protectors (see samurai helmets).


That's a very dwarfy idea*, but it'd be an absolute devil to model. I think I'll have to take the Space Wolf route and leave the beards inside the helmets for the most part.

There will definitely be a few helmets like that in the Chapter though, even if they're not explicitly mentioned. thumbsup.gif

 

 

3) Instead of carving grudges into stone, do so in the metal a melee weapon is made of. A grudge is considered "avenged" when this weapon is buried in the offending enemy's vital organs; afterwards, the enemy leader's skull (or its reproduction, if the skull was crushed or otherwise unusable) is sheathed in metal and used to decorate the weapon the grudge was originally carved in.

 

Grudge-Stones is my nod to the Dammaz Kron, the Great Book of Grudges of Warhammer Fantasy's Dwarfs.
It's also a decade-old idea that I'm very attached to, so I'd really like to keep them.

I do like your idea, though - I might tweak it a bit and work something similar in, if that's ok. happy.png
 

4) Squats (made with Warhammer Fantasy or Age of Sigmar models) as Chapter allies and auxiliaries (have them count as AdMech Skitarii in-game, to account for the Dwarves' hardiness).


I only really play Space Crusade, so I won't be making much use of this idea, sadly. sweat.gif

That's not to say it's a bad one, if anyone's ever crazy enough to make a band of Stonebound.

If the Squats do ever officially come back, I'm sure they and the Stonebound would have a lot of common ground.

Probably. Although that's depending on what - if any - changes GW make to the little dudes.
 


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Just looking over your notes so far and there's a few ideas/points I thought could help out:

 

 

 

* Eventually have keeps, recruitment bases, forges, outposts etc on dozens of worlds all over the subsector. Huge success, the Chapter is touted as a glorious and worthy force for good and right across the segmentum.

* Then the Orks get their collective censored.gif together under one banner and come to get their turf back.

 

Two things here. First off, what allows the orks to pull their crap together in order to become a threat? Is it due to their success and their arrogance? Was there some sort of Sauron-esque figure who pulled the ork remnants together in order to attack the chapter from all sides?

 

The second and related question is could this be a potential reason as to why they overlooked the orks and let them rebuild their strength?  Did they send out some forces to help out allied forces only to realize they've overstretched themselves? Is this how the orks managed to launch a surprise attack against their homeworld. Depending on the timeline, you can really play with how the orks pulled it off. As described in the recent ork codex if memory serves right, orks have actually been coming out of the Great Rift and hitting places across the galaxy. Perhaps that is how the orks surprised the Stonebound?

 

 

 


* Take a homeworld (Kharabor, or 'Keystone' in Gothic), but also over time establish Chapter keeps on dozens of other worlds, possibly even recruitment rights on a few also to help supply the Chapter in their widespread war against the Orks.

 

One thing to consider now with the galaxy split in half is where about is the sector in? Are they 'safely' within Imperium Sanctus or have the Stonebound found themselves in the Dark Imperium? Both offer up unique opportunities for story flavour which can add to the situation: The Dark Imp[erium means communication is at it's worst and raiders/pirates are having the time of their lives raiding and pillaging, another, if minor, threat that can hit the sector. Supplies are also incredibly rare making the loss of the keeps/recruitment worlds hurt even more. There is even warp storms acting seemingly on their own will meaning supplies from Terra even in Imperium Sanctus meaning there is still trying times whichever way you wanna play this.

 

 

 

 

* The Stonebound and the Orks trade blows for centuries, with worlds variously reclaimed and lost again as the millennia pass. Endless stalemate, in other words. Until...

* Primaris marines have finally given the Chapter the means to tip the scales against the hated Orks. The Campaign to reclaim Kharabor, and thus shatter the oldest Grudge-Stone once and for all, is no longer a mere dream, but a real possibility.

 

One thing to consider which I mentioned earlier is how are the orks able to keep a stalemate with the Stonebound? What is it in the orks that make them a formidable foe to the Stonebound? So their wierdboys predict where a good fight will be? Do they use under handed methods that the chapter doesn't bend to? Or perhaps it's something to do with the Stonebound themselves? Do they reclaim land even though in the long term it is actually going to hurt further down the line? Do they refuse to retreat meaning their numbers keep getting sapped away 'needlessly' some would say?

 

Also, how would the Stonebound feel about these new Primaris kids coming into the fold? Sure, they come with better armour guns, etc. but how would those veterans feel? Surely they've been the ones in the tunnels fighting tooth and nail so it is their right to reclaim their homeworld, not some outsiders who wear their colours? Or perhaps they've learned their lessons and with their new perspective realize their own faults? Just another perspective to throw into the mix.

 

Going back to the idea of a third force pulling the strings in the background, perhaps with the new breathing space the Primaris have given, the command of the Stonebound have been trying to figure out how events have unfolded as they have and are seeing some unanswered questions that have come up over the last millennia.

 

Hopefully this has given some food for thought on the chapter. 

 

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Just looking over your notes so far and there's a few ideas/points I thought could help out:


* Eventually have keeps, recruitment bases, forges, outposts etc on dozens of worlds all over the subsector. Huge success, the Chapter is touted as a glorious and worthy force for good and right across the segmentum.

* Then the Orks get their collective censored.gif together under one banner and come to get their turf back.

Two things here. First off, what allows the orks to pull their crap together in order to become a threat? Is it due to their success and their arrogance? Was there some sort of Sauron-esque figure who pulled the ork remnants together in order to attack the chapter from all sides?
One possible answer: The Eldar/Aeldari intervened to enable the rise of an Ork Warboss capable of defeating the Stonebound, the way the knife-ears enabled the rise of Ghazghkull in order to divert a prophesied Waaagh! from a Craftworld. This can justify the Chapter's HATRED of Eldar/Aeldari (the Inquisition learned of the knife-ears' role in the 2nd War For Armageddon from an Eldar prisoner), potentially raising tensions between the Stonebound and Lord Regent Guilliman (whose resurrection the Eldar/Aeldari had a major role in), and make them behave more like the Dwarves that inspired Ace Debonair.

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Posted Yesterday, 04:37 PM

 

Does this sound like a worthwhile Chapter, or should I take this old relic of an idea back to the drawing board again? ermm.gif

 

This is DEFINITLY a worthwhile Chapterthumbsup.gif The Dwarves theme is a very solid idea.

 

Brother Bjorn has some excellent ideas although I really like homage you pay to WH Dwarves with the Grudge Stones. Are your "Red Shields" in any way a reference to the "Slayers"?.... or have you thought about individual Marines who take up this mantle?

 

Brother The brought up some good questions that I hope you will explore.

 

A question of my own is in reference to this:

 

* Take a homeworld (Kharabor, or 'Keystone' in Gothic), but also over time establish Chapter keeps on dozens of other worlds, possibly even recruitment rights on a few also to help supply the Chapter in their widespread war against the Orks.

 

Who mans these numerous keeps, Space Marine squads, Chapter serfs, or a combination?

 

Lots of potential with this one Brother Ace. I'm looking forward to seeing moreyes.gif


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Two things here. First off, what allows the orks to pull their crap together in order to become a threat? Is it due to their success and their arrogance? Was there some sort of Sauron-esque figure who pulled the ork remnants together in order to attack the chapter from all sides?


I have lots of ideas for the orks - maybe enough for a whole separate article (as a later project though, definitely)!

But to answer your question as concisely as possible: My current plan is for a prophet of Gork or Mork will unite the squabbling, diverse clans in the area into a single fighting force that believes the Stonebound (and the rest of the Imperium) only exist as something to fight and loot from, sent by Gork or Mork as both a test of Fightiness and Orkiness, and as a reward for being so Fighty and Orky. 
 

The second and related question is could this be a potential reason as to why they overlooked the orks and let them rebuild their strength?  Did they send out some forces to help out allied forces only to realize they've overstretched themselves? Is this how the orks managed to launch a surprise attack against their homeworld. Depending on the timeline, you can really play with how the orks pulled it off. As described in the recent ork codex if memory serves right, orks have actually been coming out of the Great Rift and hitting places across the galaxy. Perhaps that is how the orks surprised the Stonebound?


My current plan for how the orks pull of the surprise attack boils down to "Hubris and Pride make the Stonebound too confident and they don't plan for all the disparate ork tribes pulling together", coupled with "The Imperium doesn't have an accurate handle on how many orks there are - what they've assumed is a total headcount of Orks in the subsector is actually just a fraction."

Basically, the Orks are going to have numbers enough to stage decoy assaults and still have the bulk of their fighters play the sneak attack game.

I admit it probably needs a little more work. laugh.png 
 

One thing to consider now with the galaxy split in half is where about is the sector in? Are they 'safely' within Imperium Sanctus or have the Stonebound found themselves in the Dark Imperium? Both offer up unique opportunities for story flavour which can add to the situation: The Dark Imp[erium means communication is at it's worst and raiders/pirates are having the time of their lives raiding and pillaging, another, if minor, threat that can hit the sector. Supplies are also incredibly rare making the loss of the keeps/recruitment worlds hurt even more. There is even warp storms acting seemingly on their own will meaning supplies from Terra even in Imperium Sanctus meaning there is still trying times whichever way you wanna play this.


Originally my plan was to be in Imperium Sanctus, but then so far all of my DIY's have been in Imperium Sanctus.

Maybe I should spice things up and move the Stonebound to the far end of the Segmentum, put them right in the danger zone... 
 

One thing to consider which I mentioned earlier is how are the orks able to keep a stalemate with the Stonebound? What is it in the orks that make them a formidable foe to the Stonebound? So their wierdboys predict where a good fight will be? Do they use under handed methods that the chapter doesn't bend to? Or perhaps it's something to do with the Stonebound themselves? Do they reclaim land even though in the long term it is actually going to hurt further down the line? Do they refuse to retreat meaning their numbers keep getting sapped away 'needlessly' some would say?


Let's see: according to my current notes, the orks maintain their stalemate by two factors: Firstly, they have numbers enough to keep the Stonebound mostly fighting on the defensive, and secondly the Stonebound are a little too proud/obsessed with their vengeance to really call for aid unless the situation is truly bleak.

So it's a mix of both the points you raise - the Orks are wild zealots who use unpredictable tactics to appeal to their Gods, and the Stonebound will generally fight to the bitter end, even if it would be more sensible to retreat/evacuate.
 

Also, how would the Stonebound feel about these new Primaris kids coming into the fold? Sure, they come with better armour guns, etc. but how would those veterans feel? Surely they've been the ones in the tunnels fighting tooth and nail so it is their right to reclaim their homeworld, not some outsiders who wear their colours? Or perhaps they've learned their lessons and with their new perspective realize their own faults? Just another perspective to throw into the mix.


Oh, they won't be thrilled about the Primaris marines. The Primaris marines will have to prove themselves many times over before the Stonebound think of them as brothers.

But with that said, the lure of vengeance and a chance to regain their past glory is going to really appeal to the Stonebound. At the end of the day, it's fresh blood from their own lineage, more than willing to immerse themselves in the Chapter's history and duty. And with every battle, the Stoenbound will - grudgingly - give a little more respect to the Primaris, provided they acquit themselves well enough.
 

Hopefully this has given some food for thought on the chapter.

It certainly has - I hope my answers have proven satisfactory! happy.png

I really need to work more on the ork enemies of the Stonebound - I have some rough ideas for them, but not quite enough to make an article for them as well.
 

One possible answer: The Eldar/Aeldari intervened to enable the rise of an Ork Warboss capable of defeating the Stonebound, the way the knife-ears enabled the rise of Ghazghkull in order to divert a prophesied Waaagh! from a Craftworld. This can justify the Chapter's HATRED of Eldar/Aeldari (the Inquisition learned of the knife-ears' role in the 2nd War For Armageddon from an Eldar prisoner), potentially raising tensions between the Stonebound and Lord Regent Guilliman (whose resurrection the Eldar/Aeldari had a major role in), and make them behave more like the Dwarves that inspired Ace Debonair.


I'm quite tempted to throw some Eldar shenanigans in there, but I feel like it's also terribly cliché to have Eldar pulling the strings of the Orks.

I won't rule it out, but where possible I'm going to try and keep the Chapter simple, for my own sanity if nothing else. sweat.gif
 

This is DEFINITLY a worthwhile Chapter:tu: The Dwarves theme is a very solid idea.


Solid as a rock, would you say? tongue.png

I'll have to make sure I do the Stonebound justice this time, so I'm glad I've started off on the right foot.
 

Brother Bjorn has some excellent ideas although I really like homage you pay to WH Dwarves with the Grudge Stones. Are your "Red Shields" in any way a reference to the "Slayers"?.... or have you thought about individual Marines who take up this mantle?


Nightrawen's Grudge-Stones and Octavulg's epic saga sidebar are the two decade-old ideas I absolutely had to include at any cost.

The Redshields were honestly originally inspired by the Deathwing - I just really liked the idea of the First Company having its' own colours. laugh.png

I'll be avoiding using Slayers as inspiration, though. The Ashen Blades from the recent LASC already drew upon them for inspiration, and I'd like to show different flavours of Dwarf Chapter (admittedly the Stonebound are 'Dwarvish Vanilla', in that case tongue.png) are possible.
 

Who mans these numerous keeps, Space Marine squads, Chapter serfs, or a combination?
 
Lots of potential with this one Brother Ace. I'm looking forward to seeing more:yes:


Hmmmmm. I'd say a mix - mostly serfs with maybe a squad or two of marines on 'high-risk' or more important worlds.

Having a few squads potentially still alive but cut off from the rest of the Chapter would given the Stonebound even more reason to try and take all their worlds back.
 
 
 
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Forgive the double post, brothers, but I've updated the First Post with some information based on your feedback.

The re-forging of the Stonebound will continue! I think I'll have enough to start turning this outline into an article soon. happy.png

 

I'm also having a lot of fun with Galgor's Orks - I've based them and their... unorthodox view on religion on the Nac Mac Feegle, from Discworld.

It wasn't what I'd originally planned, but the idea's too good for me to pass up! laugh.png

 

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Oooooohhhhh boy, Ace. What have you done?

I'm currently reading/ listening to Age of Sigmar stuff with my dwarfen Ashen Blades calling out in the back of my head and I was barely able to silence them as I wanted to take a break from writing (as I was jumping from idea to idea - again) and now you're revising the Stonebound?!

Nargh! Hand me a half-decent ale and this Slayer will pledge himself to your cause!

Just wanted to say that I'm excited to have them back. Gonna read this thread when I got more time to give you some proper feedback.

Going pure vanilla or will you add Primaris, as well? Cause I can See the both of us adding to each others concepts quite well. :)

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Oooooohhhhh boy, Ace. What have you done?

I'm currently reading/ listening to Age of Sigmar stuff with my dwarfen Ashen Blades calling out in the back of my head and I was barely able to silence them as I wanted to take a break from writing (as I was jumping from idea to idea - again) and now you're revising the Stonebound?!


Funnily enough, it was re-reading the Ashen Blades that, in part, got me listening to my inner Dwarf once more.

That and another good run on Dwarf Fortress.
 
And a campaign or two on Warhammer Total War.
Basically this whole year so far has been pushing me inexorably back towards Kagara and the Stonebound. laugh.png
 

Nargh! Hand me a half-decent ale and this Slayer will pledge himself to your cause!


*crashes fist against mail armour in approval*

Let's see... we've got Kagaran Black Ale, Kagaran Firemead, and of course a few casks of Magma Brew.

Not a patch on Kharabor King's Brew, of course, but that's currently... inaccessible. confused.gif
 

Just wanted to say that I'm excited to have them back. Gonna read this thread when I got more time to give you some proper feedback.

Going pure vanilla or will you add Primaris, as well? Cause I can See the both of us adding to each others concepts quite well. smile.png

Unbowed, unbroken!

 
This time I'm not giving up on the Stonebound. I wasn't skilled enough to do the concept justice last time, but let's see if a decade of experience can make a difference, eh? happy.png

Primaris marines are a definite YES for all of my DIY Chapters.

I have a weakness for Reivers (they're just so cool, although I do tend to do a lot of headswaps), and am positively itching to paint a few Stonebound Reivers - although they'll have to hold on for a while since I have a model backlog to work through first. sweat.gif

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I am tired and bad at spelling.
Typos purged before they can become worthy of a Grudge.

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This is exciting. The thematic elements are perfectly suited to the brotherhood of Astartes. I have the impression that the stalemate between the Orks and the Stonebound is quite long lived, and it raised a question; though the Orks numbers give them staying power against the Stonebound, I have always thought (maybe mistakenly) that the Orks have difficulty maintaining focus and cohesion. So the force amassed by this Prophet, does it last throughout this struggle, such that the Stonebound are clashing consistently with "the same" Orks, or after their initials successes and some time has passed, does their unity dissolve and the Stonebound is dealing with multiple splinter forces?


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Ahhh, the old boys in brown are back with extra Dwarfiness! Glad to see them return, Ace! I love the grudgestones. I could see an old veteran in the Red shield having a stone encrusted set armour or a Dreadnought, declaring they are carrying the weight of their duty through the grudges to be settled. Do fallen Astartes' grudges get honoured by their squad mates etc?

 

So a few points have been raised on the Ork attack, it certainly is very viable the Imperium lacked the sufficient intelligence (literally and figuratively) to know how many Orks were present in the region the Stonebound protected.

 

To add further spin, I did see a suggestion earlier on the Chapter being stretched thin, which is why the Orks managed to gain in numbers without much to push them back. That could be a very possible option to mark with the Dwarfish hubris and pride that they thought the greenskin threat was suitably stymied for long enough to allow the Stonebound to crusade elsewhere and answers calls and favours upon their honour and oath. Add in the Eldar being responsible for orchestrating this to happen, both by raiding areas to force a call for aid and to ensure the Ork empire grew into a WAAAGH!

 

On that subject, how do the Stonebound interact with allies within the region? I'd imagine thier ties with the AdMech would be very cordial indeed.

 

If they are on the far edge of the Segmentum on the border of the Cicatrix Maledictum, as you suggested earlier, that would mean Tau or Tyranid nonsense to counter alongside the Greenskins and Chaos threats.

 

Let's see some more! I raise some homebrewed ale in respect.

 

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To add further spin, I did see a suggestion earlier on the Chapter being stretched thin, which is why the Orks managed to gain in numbers without much to push them back. That could be a very possible option to mark with the Dwarfish hubris and pride that they thought the greenskin threat was suitably stymied for long enough to allow the Stonebound to crusade elsewhere and answers calls and favours upon their honour and oath. Add in the Eldar being responsible for orchestrating this to happen, both by raiding areas to force a call for aid and to ensure the Ork empire grew into a WAAAGH!


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This is exciting. The thematic elements are perfectly suited to the brotherhood of Astartes. I have the impression that the stalemate between the Orks and the Stonebound is quite long lived, and it raised a question; though the Orks numbers give them staying power against the Stonebound, I have always thought (maybe mistakenly) that the Orks have difficulty maintaining focus and cohesion. So the force amassed by this Prophet, does it last throughout this struggle, such that the Stonebound are clashing consistently with "the same" Orks, or after their initials successes and some time has passed, does their unity dissolve and the Stonebound is dealing with multiple splinter forces?

 
I might do an article on the orks later, so I'm thinking they'll stick around. happy.png
Even with the Prophet Galgor's death, his teachings will more-or-less stick in one form or another.

And with the orks looking at the Stonebound as equal parts gift/reward from the Gods, they'll happily gang up any time the Stonebound make notable gains in territory, if only for a good fight and/or to show Gork and Mork what they're made of.

That said, I daresay the whole region is a hotbed of Orky politics and in-fighting most of the time, and really they only have any unity when rallying to deal with outside threats like the Stonebound.

 

Ahhh, the old boys in brown are back with extra Dwarfiness! Glad to see them return, Ace! I love the grudgestones. I could see an old veteran in the Red shield having a stone encrusted set armour or a Dreadnought, declaring they are carrying the weight of their duty through the grudges to be settled. Do fallen Astartes' grudges get honoured by their squad mates etc?
 
So a few points have been raised on the Ork attack, it certainly is very viable the Imperium lacked the sufficient intelligence (literally and figuratively) to know how many Orks were present in the region the Stonebound protected.
 
To add further spin, I did see a suggestion earlier on the Chapter being stretched thin, which is why the Orks managed to gain in numbers without much to push them back. That could be a very possible option to mark with the Dwarfish hubris and pride that they thought the greenskin threat was suitably stymied for long enough to allow the Stonebound to crusade elsewhere and answers calls and favours upon their honour and oath. Add in the Eldar being responsible for orchestrating this to happen, both by raiding areas to force a call for aid and to ensure the Ork empire grew into a WAAAGH!


...Why is everyone so keen on getting the Eldar involved? wacko.png
Orks by themselves are plenty dangerous enough, especially if left unchecked.

I'd rather keep it simple and straightforward, Dwarves Space Marines vs Orks.
Turning one or both sides into a catspaw for Eldar machinations makes that faction less interesting, adds another faction I'd need to flesh out (I have enough of those to do) and is pretty much the most tired and cliché way to use Eldar in a story.

All that aside, spreading the Chapter thin before the Orks really fight back is a good idea. I'll probably add that. happy.png

 

EDIT:

Space Marines, not Dwarves. wallbash.gif

Overtheming at it's finest, right there.
 

On that subject, how do the Stonebound interact with allies within the region? I'd imagine thier ties with the AdMech would be very cordial indeed.

 

I think the AdMech would be the Stonebound's best buddies, although it'd be more for mutual admiration of craftsmanship than the Stonebound buying into the Omnissiah stuff. That and Techpriests are generally pretty consistent in their dealings, which I imagine the Stonebound approve of.

As for other allies - I haven't given them any thought. The Stonebound are generally pretty gruff and aloof to outsiders, so I imagine they're not very close friends to factions like the Imperial Guard or the Ecclesiarchy.

They might have a Knight Household or two on their list of allies, but I doubt I'll make much mention of them. It's not like the Stonebound are going to let outsiders get too involved in retaking Kaharabor, lest they lay claim to its' lost treasures.
 

If they are on the far edge of the Segmentum on the border of the Cicatrix Maledictum, as you suggested earlier, that would mean Tau or Tyranid nonsense to counter alongside the Greenskins and Chaos threats.
 
Let's see some more! I raise some homebrewed ale in respect.
 
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Wait, there's Nids and Tau over the other side of the galaxy now? eek.gif
What did I miss?

 

I thought the far end of Segmentum Pacificus was pretty far away from the Eastern Fringe, where you get bugs and blue people.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong map...? sweat.gifwacko.png


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If they are on the far edge of the Segmentum on the border of the Cicatrix Maledictum, as you suggested earlier, that would mean Tau or Tyranid nonsense to counter alongside the Greenskins and Chaos threats.

Let's see some more! I raise some homebrewed ale in respect.

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Wait, there's Nids and Tau over the other side of the galaxy now? eek.gif
What did I miss?

I thought the far end of Segmentum Pacificus was pretty far away from the Eastern Fringe, where you get bugs and blue people.
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong map...? sweat.gifwacko.png

No that's me holding the map upside down... 10 minutes in the Pain Glove for such wretched lack of focus!

But yeah ignore the Tau and Niddies, may want to keep an eye out for Necrons though. ;)

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Alright, caught up.

Just some quick thoughts. More might come later on.

I'd say keep it simple with Orks and Marines. Aeldari could make use of that and become a sideplot. But making them the responsible reminds me too much of DoW.

What's Dwarf Fortress? Never heard of that before.

Going with an Ork prophet reminds me of Bonesplitterz, fanatical beast hunters following their prophets and such. They could name the Stonebound their prey and having a primitive ork force, which heavily relies on their grots could be something different, eh?

AoS dwarves wouldn't be very helpfull. Like you said, I'm already drawing from the Fyreslayers and the Kharadrons would only fit after the Stonebound lost their homeworld. And even then only partially.
And the Dispossessed are Fantasy Dwarfs 2.0

Regarding Tau and Nids. They are both a thing in Imperium Nihilus, as well. There are at least 2 or 3 hyve fleets incoming and don't forget about the Genestealers.
T'au eatablished their new Sphere within the northern half, as well.
Currently on my phone but within the Tau subforum, another frater figured out their position with the help of the BA codex.

If you need another chapter as an ally, I can offer either my Ashen Blades or another chapter, I'm considering to get back upon (like a mixture of Stormcasts and/ or Kharadrons & 18th century stuff like pirates, East India Company or another of my myriad ones).

Or an Ogryn world or even Aeldari to get some classic Dwarf vs Elven theme?

Hope that might help ya :)

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Ace, I absolutely love the Stonebound, so this is just fantastic!

 

 

...Why is everyone so keen on getting the Eldar involved? wacko.png

 

 

Because of the War of the Beard! The elves and wharves have an ancient antipathy and even now your Stonebound are the antithesis of all Eldar faction misdirection, speed and power doctrine.

 

I can understand why you'd not want to include them, keeping it simple is always best. You can have shadows of their involvement if you want, whatever faction you desire, but it's definitely not necessary.

 

 

In terms of the Necrons, well, there's always digging too deep in the dark isn't there? msn-wink.gif

 

 

* Organisation: First Company "Redshields" have different heraldry from the rest of the Chapter.

 

 

Can I ask why Redshields? I'd have thought you'd go for something like 'Ironbound' or 'Steelhearts' or something of that manner. Ores come from stone and what is refined through the forge of battle eventually ends up as the tested mettle* of the chapter.

 

Am I being too thematic here? I feel like this is a question you've covered in a previous version but my brain is dead. Apologies.

 

 

 

 

I'm loving all the additions, also the *Imperial* gold was hilarious.

 

Can I ask - I didn't see this addressed anywhere else so apologies if I missed it - but are the Stonebound locked in their entirety with this Ork controlled system/subsector? Do they ever fight anywhere else against any other foe? Respond to any calls for aid? Has the Imperium not tried to bring this region back into compliance over the years?

 

Regardless of how gruff and standoffish they are with outsiders, being a part of the Imperium means that they to a greater extent don't have much of a choice. They have to work with and help other Imperial authorities or they suffer the attention of the Inquisition.


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...Why is everyone so keen on getting the Eldar involved? wacko.png

Because of the War of the Beard! The elves and wharves have an ancient antipathy and even now your Stonebound are the antithesis of all Eldar faction misdirection, speed and power doctrine.
Well said, Grey Hunter Ydalir.

In terms of the Necrons, well, there's always digging too deep in the dark isn't there?

Good point. Let's have a Smaug equivalent as one of the Chapter's enemies. Does Asirnoth have a brother or sister?
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Well said, Grey Hunter Ydalir.

In terms of the Necrons, well, there's always digging too deep in the dark isn't there?

Good point. Let's have a Smaug equivalent as one of the Chapter's enemies. Does Asirnoth have a brother or sister?

 

The Basilisks Chapter have been looking. They'll give a shout if they find anything.


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No that's me holding the map upside down... 10 minutes in the Pain Glove for such wretched lack of focus!

But yeah ignore the Tau and Niddies, may want to keep an eye out for Necrons though. msn-wink.gif

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Phew, thought I'd missed something big for a minute there.

I'll stick with Marines vs Orks until I've got an article I'm happy with; I can always add a 'Notable conflicts' section at the end detailing some of the battles with non-greenskin foes or something.
 
 

What's Dwarf Fortress? Never heard of that before.


Dwarf Fortress is a game that is very hard to summarize.
It's extremely difficult, grimdark as anything (if you try to build a fort anywhere inhospitable) and a lot more fun than it should be.

 

It has the motto "Losing is Fun", and has a learning curve that is more like a sheer cliff than anything else.

And yet, it is crazy enjoyable once you get the hang of it (which took me AGES, I freely admit)
 

Those ales of yours sound tasty. As long as I can't boil eggs in them, I'll be fine. msn-wink.gif

 
Kagaran ales are multi-functional. The stronger ones can be used to strip paint off of ceramite. tongue.png
 

Because of the War of the Beard! The elves and wharves have an ancient antipathy and even now your Stonebound are the antithesis of all Eldar faction misdirection, speed and power doctrine.
 
I can understand why you'd not want to include them, keeping it simple is always best. You can have shadows of their involvement if you want, whatever faction you desire, but it's definitely not necessary.


...D'you mean the War of Vengeance? Or are you intentionally using the tree-cuddler name for it?

In seriousness though, I see Dwarves and Orcs as the more fitting and famous rivalry, even in Warhammer Fantasy. happy.png 
 

In terms of the Necrons, well, there's always digging too deep in the dark isn't there? msn-wink.gif


I am totally putting a Dwarf Fortress spin on this idea.
I'd explain, but that'll take longer than actually just writing it. Just take it from me, this is a thing that will happen. devil.gif

That said, it'll go in a bit at the end of the article. I want to mostly keep things Orks vs Dwarves.
 

Can I ask why Redshields? I'd have thought you'd go for something like 'Ironbound' or 'Steelhearts' or something of that manner. Ores come from stone and what is refined through the forge of battle eventually ends up as the tested mettle* of the chapter.
 
Am I being too thematic here? I feel like this is a question you've covered in a previous version but my brain is dead. Apologies.


Tradition!
The Redshields have been the name of the Veteran Company since the earliest drafts, so I'd like to keep them.
Plus it just sounds cool. thumbsup.gif

Irounbound is the collective name of the Chapter's Dreadnoughts, for what it's worth - also a holdover from the earliest version of the Chapter.
  

Can I ask - I didn't see this addressed anywhere else so apologies if I missed it - but are the Stonebound locked in their entirety with this Ork controlled system/subsector? Do they ever fight anywhere else against any other foe? Respond to any calls for aid? Has the Imperium not tried to bring this region back into compliance over the years?
 
Regardless of how gruff and standoffish they are with outsiders, being a part of the Imperium means that they to a greater extent don't have much of a choice. They have to work with and help other Imperial authorities or they suffer the attention of the Inquisition.


I admit, I haven't given the scope of the conflict or other Imperial local forces much thought yet.

My family's currently asking me why I don't include the Stonebound as part of the Silver Circle and the Glastheim Rifts, and I honestly don't have a good answer other than "tradition!"

So... I don't really have any answers to give you on this topic yet. ermm.gif

I'm a bit conflicted on the matter in truth - I like having separate Chapters from the Glastheim Rifts, but the Stonebound would probably be a much better fit than the Oceanborn ever were.
 
 

Good point. Let's have a Smaug equivalent as one of the Chapter's enemies. Does Asirnoth have a brother or sister?

 

By the throne, that'd work well.

It doesn't even have to be of the same power or scale as Asirnoth, just some kind of Necron monster that's been long imprisoned in a tomb somewhere.

...Still, I'll save stuff like that for after I've got the bare bones (hah, Necron pun) of the article in place.


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Forgive the double post, brothers, but I've made another update, in which I'm moving the Stonebound to my good old Glastheim Rifts setting, giving them numerous heretics to pick a fight with alongside the Orks and eventual Necron threats (it was inevitable).

My reasons for the move are numerous:

* I need six Chapters at the least to form a proper "Silver Circle", and the Stonebound fit the group dynamic better than the Oceanborn did.

* On that note, the Oceanborn really don't need five other Chapters about prying into their secrets - this was part of my problem when working on them, along with:

* The more I worked on the Oceanborn, the more they felt like the Stonebound anyway, only under the sea instead of underground. Why go through all that effort to, essentially, re-create my own DIY Chapter, when I could instead just have my own Chapter there in the first place? wacko.png

* And lastly, I have plans for the Champions of Athlum to be inspired (in part) by Tolkien's elves, and it felt right to homage their rivalry with the Dwarves by having the Stonebound in the Rifts so the two Chapters can annoy each other persistently. tongue.png

 

I'm always keen to hear opinions or thoughts on my crazy ideas - if this is a horrible idea and I'm committing a crime against Dwarfy Independence by moving the Stonebound, be sure to let me know before I get too invested in the move!  happy.png


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Now given your stonebound have their nemesis in the Orks, would they ever grudgingly (see what I did there?msn-wink.gif) work with, or at the least battle alongside the Orks against the Necrons once they were released? Perhaps a bit of the better the devil you know? The Orks may avoid civilians because of the lack of a fight, but perhaps this necron dysnasty is particularly antithetical and will harvest whomever they wish?

 

 

 

On Dwarfy independance, to my mind as much as they're proud, stubborn and hold a grudge to last a lifetime, they are not unwilling to work with others and form alliances. The difference is how they perceive what constitutes an alliance. Regular Astartes behavior for things such as taking oaths whether of friendship, debt, servitude or vengeance, they function very much like the dwarves even in so far as the dwarves functioned in that way like historical knightly orders.

 

The Stonebound (as dwarves) would treat those they entreat with very seriously, and would in turn take those alliances extremely seriously. They would be honour bound to uphold their oaths, even to the detriment of their own chapter and holdings. They would also expect the same of their allies, which is where you have the option for both friction and to deepen the bonds of brotherhood.

 

I think Dwarven attitude works best when it has others to be compared to, or work against. That's why the ancient trifecta of Elves, Dwarves and Humans works very well. You have your 'everyman' attitude of the Humans that the reader can relate to, and through that context view the culture and personalities of the Elves and Dwarves, and what makes them both so absurd, with them being so diametrically opposed but also somewhat similar at the extremes.

 

Without the ability for you to point out how dwarfy the Stonebound are, they're just grumpy marines who fight literally only Orks, and I mean this in both highlighted culture-shock as well as what the IA tells us.

 

If you don't want to have them join a group of other chapters and retain their independence, you have your elven-chapter to antagonize them. Or you can pick someone elses chapter to play the 'straight man' to their 'dwarf'. For example, you could describe a Blazing Sons force who came through and they got on remarkably well given their similarities, or say a strike force of my Storm Riders, whom they'd probably disagree with over quite a lot of things.

 

I'm not saying 'use my guys because they're so cool!' (I mean, they are damn cool biggrin.png), merely just using them in making a point.

 

Let me know if I'm just rambling nonsense by the way. rolleyesclean.gif


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"...I have seen the birth of this world and I have seen its death. I walked with the first men and I shared a beer with the last. For me everyone is both old and young at the same time as a million lifetimes pass before my eyes and humanity is like the grains of sand in the desert, each breath to me a sigh in the vast never-ending vacumn of space."
-Silver Phoenix


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Posted Yesterday, 04:30 PM

 

Now given your stonebound have their nemesis in the Orks, would they ever grudgingly (see what I did there?msn-wink.gif) work with, or at the least battle alongside the Orks against the Necrons once they were released? Perhaps a bit of the better the devil you know? The Orks may avoid civilians because of the lack of a fight, but perhaps this necron dysnasty is particularly antithetical and will harvest whomever they wish?

 

I see what you did thererolleyesclean.gif msn-wink.gif ....... But, (and of course this is up to Brother Ace to interpret as he sees fit) I don't think they would battle alongside the Orks (I don't even think it's possible, given the Orks mentality and disposition) considering their own dwarvish stubborn attitude when it comes to grudges. There are other chapters that absolutely refuse to form any alliance with Xenos no matter the circumstances, so this would not be without precedence. I also don't think Orks avoid civilians. They tend to attack anything and everything because...…. Orksteehee.gif

 

Without the ability for you to point out how dwarfy the Stonebound are, they're just grumpy marines who fight literally only Orks, and I mean this in both highlighted culture-shock as well as what the IA tells us.

 

Definitely good to keep in mind, but I think there are enough cultural references to Dwarves to see where Brother Ace is coming from with this Chapter.


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