HighMarshalAmp Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 How strictly is wysiwyg usually enforced on SIBs?As in, would a 1st company Veteran wielding a bolter with a glued on scope tend to be widely accepted as Sternguard with SIB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I would have no issue with that. I mean, Sternguard can't take regular bolters so what else would it represent? HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 It’s the ammo not the boltguns so good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) It’s the rest of the model not the Bolter. Distinguish your sternguard by making them first company and your fine. Look at the sternguard kit on the website, many of the bolters have normal magazines. You’ll be fine. Edited March 17, 2020 by War Angel Bjorn Firewalker and HighMarshalAmp 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukkiz Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 you can add kill marks with paint. scopes, handles, different mags by converting.Just be in mind set of Vets customizing their wargear to fit them. Or it being lesser "relic" overall War Angel, HighMarshalAmp and Bjorn Firewalker 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) It’s the ammo not the boltguns so good luck with that. So what you're saying is that if I just cut the mags off the actual Sternguard SIBs and stick them onto regular bolters, you'd accept it? [...] I mean, Sternguard can't take regular bolters so what else would it represent? Well, they could just be Company Veterans with Bolters for one. I've used the Sternguard kit twice before and am getting tired of using the same 5 Weapons and pairs of arms for the same exact unit. I've got no issue with kit bashing individual models (in fact, their rigidity is the one huge turn-off the Primaris Characters have for me), I'm just aware that I'm crossing into grey territory by essentially proxying one existing weapon model for another existing weapon model... Edited March 17, 2020 by HighMarshalAmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Company veterans are COMPANY veterans. They don’t specifically have to be part of the first veteran company (standard lore). They are the new name for command squads. And come in very different sizes. I don’t think your going to have issues with it. That said, here’s some options. Give them a drum or box magazine, a scope, purity seals on the Bolter, paint the bolters a different color, paint them in your chapters first company color scheme. Take it a step further and just cover the entire model in purity seals, why not. Give each model a sling. Idk, there’s like a hundred different things you can do, many of them not requiring anything special for the Bolter. Bjorn Firewalker and HighMarshalAmp 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta galactosidase Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I mean, Sternguard can't take regular bolters so what else would it represent? I agree with this. Do no worry about WYSIWYG for a units starting equipment. WYSIWYG is primarily for optional equipment. GW have always had units with these questions, for example plague knives or ccws on grey hunters or plague marines. Grey Hunters just didn’t come with any obvious “ccw” for a long time. Many marine units have had both Bolter and pistol, but it’s never been necessary to put a pistol on every one of the models. It’s also not necessary to do the entire unit when it’s a squad-wide upgrade, imo. HighMarshalAmp and Aarik 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I guess the argument is "what's the visual difference between Sternguard with special-issue boltguns and Company Veterans with normal bolters", and the answer is "whatever you want it to be". HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I see the sternguard bolters used on other models all the time to represent regular or master-crafted boltguns so I can’t imagine anyone would call foul on this. HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtySixNights Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I just painted vets with different coloured boltguns, Scopes and scoped or bionic eyed helms. HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I guess the argument is "what's the visual difference between Sternguard with special-issue boltguns and Company Veterans with normal bolters", and the answer is "whatever you want it to be". Company vets are part of the company your fielding (2nd 3rd ect) and sternguard are part of first company. Gederas 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I guess the argument is "what's the visual difference between Sternguard with special-issue boltguns and Company Veterans with normal bolters", and the answer is "whatever you want it to be". Company vets are part of the company your fielding (2nd 3rd ect) and sternguard are part of first company. Yep, and not everyone paints Company markings on their models, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I made my Veterans distinct from my ordinary infantry and it has always been sufficient. Pics when you decide! HighMarshalAmp and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Why not sub in some Deathwatch bolters? BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I guess the argument is "what's the visual difference between Sternguard with special-issue boltguns and Company Veterans with normal bolters", and the answer is "whatever you want it to be".Company vets are part of the company your fielding (2nd 3rd ect) and sternguard are part of first company. Yep, and not everyone paints Company markings on their models, etc. Then I don’t know what to tell you. Bells and whistles can represent a tactical squad just as easily as a vet squad or a sternguard squad. BLACK BLŒ FLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Look at the old sternguard boltgun models. Umbra ferrox bolters are close to that style, and so are conversions using storm bolter magazines grafted onto bolters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Use white where appropriate its a 1st co thing. Could also load up on pouches etc to show other ammo storage. The bolters from the Mk III and IV kits or the ones with the sisters of silence are good for 40k vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Perhaps snipping off the muzzles will provide a different look? I mean, it's the future with space wizards and monsters - we can suspend a little disbelief on physics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Perhaps snipping off the muzzles will provide a different look? I mean, it's the future with space wizards and monsters - we can suspend a little disbelief on physics? O.o No, no I don't think we can. BLACK BLΠFLY and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 It’s the ammo not the boltguns so good luck with that. Maybe in previous editions, but take a look at the 8th ed SG entry. "Special Issue Boltgun". It's the boltgun doing the work combined with their marksmanship, no more ammo types. Aside from the SIB profile being what a bolter with Kraken Penetrator Round would be. That said, SG can only take those, and SIB's arent available to anyone else, so it doesnt matter. Paint them gold if you like! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 If I can tell the unit is special I don’t care. There was a rule concerning wysiwyg once upon a time where if an upgrade was <5pts it didn’t need to be represented. This was aimed at things like grenades, so you didn’t have to model them. If you for instance use the cloaked Dark Angels models as your Sternguard, or paint the units helmets differently, or even paint the edge of the base Gold. I would say it’s good. Syrakul 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I'd honestly just paint them gold or whatever your veteran's designated colour is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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