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[Dark Shepherd]

I thought April 18th was replacing a different event preview?

Deathwatch and Harlequinns are getting their psychic awakening rules in a white dwarf

[fire golem]

I thought April 18th was replacing a different event preview?

Deathwatch and Harlequinns are getting their psychic awakening rules in a white dwarf

Maybe it was originally and they’ve since decided to spread the Adepticon stuff out more. But they said on the stream they’ve only done half the Adepticon previews and said the next preview is the 18th. 

[TheFinisher4Ever]

Deathwatch and Harlequins only getting white dwarf rules is a gut punch. I'm assuming Phobos killteams are out then.

But I'm the bright side, that means both sisters and Necrons should be getting quite a bit of content since they are the only armies in the book, barring another Fabius Bile type reveal.

[Bryan Blaire]

9 PA books... honestly they're not worth the paper they're printed on. If there was even millimeters of advancement I'd cope but the narrative has stalled.

Isn't that the point of the PA books though... they are "filling in" the happenings through the timeline out to the Dark Imperium stuff that was never detailed, getting to a new "status quo" rules and story-wise before possibly advancing some at the next edition/version refresh.

[CaptainMarsh]

I wanna know more about PA: Pariah from a rules perspective, IE: What to expect. The preview for War of the Spider at least gave us a general overview of what to expect from a content point of view.

I enjoy Stern.

[Sete]

9 PA books... honestly they're not worth the paper they're printed on. If there was even millimeters of advancement I'd cope but the narrative has stalled.

9 books, new edition. I told ya guys like in november.
Last book ties in with new edition if I remember correctly.

New edition, 8.5, Jack, whatever you want to call it.

Edited by Sete, 04 April 2020 - 03:28 PM.

[Bryan Blaire]

Good to see Stern is back in 40k and now with a cool model and proper rules, very excited to get her. It is kind of weird that DW and Harlequins are in WD and its even weirder they havent mentioned Necrons, will they be in Pariah? They also didnt say who is Stern fighting, just some odd omissions.

i don't think it's going to be just Ephrael and Kyganil against some force, as they said "Psychic Awakening: Pariah will see champions old and new come to the fore" (although WHC has been frustratingly obtuse/potentially misleading in their statements before), and that Stern will be challenged by the "the greatest threat the Imperium has ever faced" - personally I'm still mulling over who/what that might be, to me, the Imperium has three pretty damn potent threats in the form of Chaos, Necrons, and 'Nids (oh my).

Now I'm relistening to Duncan Waugh's VoxCast right now, because he said something about Psychic Awakening that I felt like was a key bit about the nature of these books and it was "granted, some of the change ups aren't as big as if there had been a Codex refresh" and I had the impression that also meant that new factions wouldn't come out of them, because if you aren't going to go as far as a Codex refresh would, in my mind, you also wouldn't produce an entirely new (or almost entirely new) Codex within the bounds of the PA books - although he didn't specifically say that.

So I personally am not anticipating seeing a single new faction during the Psychic Awakening run for 40K - maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not anticipating a new faction like Khorne/Slaanesh-based Marines until late summer at the earliest (and who knows how off that might be now given the world situation).

So back to specifically PA: Pariah - we've already had Chaos and 'Nids, so the only "big" threat left to detail is the Necrons - and possibly humanity's burgeoning psychic potential itself. I'm just not sure what else might be the "greatest threat" to the Imperium.

[01RTB01]

9 PA books... honestly they're not worth the paper they're printed on. If there was even millimeters of advancement I'd cope but the narrative has stalled.

Isn't that the point of the PA books though... they are "filling in" the happenings through the timeline out to the Dark Imperium stuff that was never detailed, getting to a new "status quo" rules and story-wise before possibly advancing some at the next edition/version refresh.

Filling in I don't have an issue with but what they've presented have been woeful.

Rules wise have been v good.

[Brother Tyler]

Note that I've split the posts about the Ephrael Stern & Kyganil miniatures and the 20th Anniversary Edition of Daemonifuge into their own topics.

 

I've also hidden all of the off topic complaining - if it wasn't about the Psychic Awakening: Pariah product, it's somewhere else/gone.

[Bryan Blaire]

So based on the White Dwarf preview for 453, it looks like it is only Deathwatch getting rules in there, so the Harlinquin rules are likely only in PA: Pariah.

[Panzer]

Or in the next White Dwarf issue.

[Bryan Blaire]

Or in the next White Dwarf issue.

Why would they print them twice? Either they are in Pariah, apparently based on a comment from the Twitch preview, or they are in White Dwarf.

[Panzer]

 

Or in the next White Dwarf issue.

Why would they print them twice? Either they are in Pariah, apparently based on a comment from the Twitch preview, or they are in White Dwarf.

 

 

What do you mean twice? Just split between two White Dwarf issues. One for Deathwatch, one for Harlequins.

[Bryan Blaire]

What do you mean twice?

I mean "Why would they print the rules for Harlequins twice?" They were stated to be in PA: Pariah per the preview - source here:

I just rewatched the video and I did misconstrue what was said.
 
The only things concretely spoken about the contents of Psychic Awakening: Pariah was that rules for the new SoB and Harlequin models would be in the book (Twitch stream, ~1h 20m mark).

Emphasis mine.

So if they publish the Harlequin rules in White Dwarf and PA: Pariah, they'd be publishing them twice. Hence my original question.

[Panzer]

 

What do you mean twice?

I mean "Why would they print the rules for Harlequins twice?" They were stated to be in PA: Pariah per the preview - source here:

I just rewatched the video and I did misconstrue what was said.
 
The only things concretely spoken about the contents of Psychic Awakening: Pariah was that rules for the new SoB and Harlequin models would be in the book (Twitch stream, ~1h 20m mark).

Emphasis mine.

So if they publish the Harlequin rules in White Dwarf and PA: Pariah, they'd be publishing them twice. Hence my original question.

 

 

(emphasis in red mine)

 

If I recall correctly they said the rules for the two new models will be in the book, not Harlequins in general. The WarCom article says "And that’s not all! Before long, White Dwarf will be bringing you juicy new Psychic Awakening rules for the Deathwatch and Harlequins."

Edited by Panzer, 07 April 2020 - 09:55 PM.

[Bryan Blaire]

If I recall correctly they said the rules for the two new models will be in the book, not Harlequins in general. The WarCom article says "And that’s not all! Before long, White Dwarf will be bringing you juicy new Psychic Awakening rules for the Deathwatch and Harlequins."

Guess I misinterpreted what NTaW said then. That WHC statement is what I originally keyed in on, but he was saying it seemed to be refuted by the preview comments.

If Harlequins are going to be in White Dwarf, and not a PA book, then yes, it's seems like they will be in a later WD, not 453 - I don't think they'll have a slim "PA update" for both factions in a single WD and not preview that, seems like news they'd want to highlight.

[NTaW]

I meant that the two models, an SoB and her Harlequin bodyguard, will get rules in Pariah.

I assume that we will see Deathwatch then Harlequins in consecutive WDs.

[Noserenda]

The preview for next months WD contents page clearly shows Deathwatch rules and no Harlequins, i mean, they were always going to be in separate issues right? Them putting the Deathwatch in a "Warhammer" focused issue implies their rules bit will be smaller than the Harlequins, at least based on previous issues.

[Captain Smashy Pants]

Not really a Necron fan, but always thought Pariahs were a cool concept. IIRC, SoS and Culexus assassins have the Pariah gene, as do all blanks. Just out of curiosity, how many more Psychic Awakening books are still due, and which factions haven't been given the PA treatment yet?

[Karhedron]

I also like the Pariah concept and it would help the Necrons combat their great weakness against psychic powers.

I think that Book 9 is planned as the last Psychic Awakening book as nearly all factions will have been addressed to some degree (although Deathwatch seem to be getting the WD treatment).

[NTaW]

When I first saw my post quoted here I thought this was the Amicus thread. Since we're in the NR&BA Psychic Awakening: Pariah thread and Deathwatch and Harlequins have been confirmed to be featured in White Dwarf, let's focus discussion on what has been confirmed in this book.

 

• Ephrael Stern and her Harlequin companion, Kyganil, are both getting rules in this book (for SoB and Imperial Faction armies [WC article]). 

 

It's a short list. In the Twitch stream revealing these two it was mentioned that the pair have enemies in every corner of the galaxy, naming the Inquisition, Thousand Sons, and Dark Eldar among them, and that they travel more or less alone on their own agenda fighting Chaos. Nothing that specifically indicated any faction's inclusion in the book though.

Edited by NTaW, 08 April 2020 - 11:56 AM.

[Bryan Blaire]

Good call Panzer!

Two factions – the Deathwatch and the Harlequins – aren’t in the books, but remain forces to be reckoned with. As such, they’re getting new rules like everyone else, but in their case across two issues of White Dwarf.

[redmapa]

 

 

Psychic Awakening: Pariah will see champions old and new come to the fore, including a legendary, Chaos-destroying heroine. Witness the return of the Daemonifuge!

 

Maybe this last PA will have more models than just Stern, maybe it will have some Chaos champion, maybe Vect will get an update, maybe Necrons will get Pariah as some sort of character instead of a unit. This might be less about armies and more about individuals which might be a good opportunity to touch a bunch of factions.

[DeadFingers]

 

Psychic Awakening: Pariah will see champions old and new come to the fore, including a legendary, Chaos-destroying heroine. Witness the return of the Daemonifuge!

Maybe this last PA will have more models than just Stern, maybe it will have some Chaos champion, maybe Vect will get an update, maybe Necrons will get Pariah as some sort of character instead of a unit. This might be less about armies and more about individuals which might be a good opportunity to touch a bunch of factions.

Now that you mention that, it's only Sisters and Necrons left, yeah, but Stern is most known for fighting Chaos, not Necrons. I know PA has not always adhered to the expected/classic matchups, but they did pull Bile out of nowhere as an extra faction, so maybe they have a final surprise appearance of Chaos for us, even if just in the narrative?

 

I'd certainly like to know what the Emperor's Children have been up to on the sidelines with all their constant appearances and strange behaviour. And Stern's foreshadowing appearance was her getting into some sort of agreement with the Ynnari, so maybe this could be a followup to that. And the only direct link between two Psychic Awakening stories too.

[Black Blow Fly]

Stern worked with one Harlequin that’s it.