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Saga of the Terminator trials


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With the release of our codex I have become obsessed with the potential of our Wolf Guard Terminators.

 

The stratagem fury of the first is ultra competitive IMO and I am trying to squeeze all I can out of it.

 

I will try and report on my experiments in this saga.

 

 

 

I am using a 2K army with double battaltions

 

Details here

 

Batrep 1


Faced off against Blood Angel and Salamander list

 

Reiver and Plasma Inceptor combo from salamanders (reivers get psyker buffs and prevent inceptors from being shot so you get an extra round of shooting)

Death company and sanguinary guard combo from BA

 

I've faced my BA friend many times so I know the key is always zone him out

 

Very short batrep

 

 

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I was sad to note that after our first battle my friend fell to chaos.

 

He returned to battle with a Purge and Tzeentch army that was absolutely brutal

 

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I made a slight modification to my prior list and replaced the Jump WL with Primaris Ragnar and shuffled some points on the GH around.  Nothing major

 

 

Pre-game

 

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Turn 1

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Turn 2

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Turn 3

 

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Turn 4
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My after game thoughts

 

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Interesting stuff!

 

For the Terminators, would you consider dropping a few Chainfists (two or three, probably) for some Storm Shields? The added resilience there could add a lot of staying power for them without reducing their impact too much.



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Rematch!

We both made minor tweaks to our lists

I downgrade 1 GH to pure shooting
remove banner and chainfist
make it plasma
combi-plasma + SS on WGTDA PL

Upgrade intercessors to have a TH


His list (*updated with correct list)
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Post game thoughts
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Edited by TiguriusX, 20 April 2020 - 12:54 AM.

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Interesting stuff!

 

For the Terminators, would you consider dropping a few Chainfists (two or three, probably) for some Storm Shields? The added resilience there could add a lot of staying power for them without reducing their impact too much.

I currently have 5 SS and 5 chain fists

 

I think that is just about right because I am killing big stuff in melee and 16 attacks is "just" enough

I need more focus on positioning and target saturation for them I think


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Tigurius, this is great intel. What will your next step be for the Grey Hunters?


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Tigurius, this is great intel. What will your next step be for the Grey Hunters?


I have a few lists I am deciding on right now

0 GH in any of them. Not a major change in CP because I was spending 3 of 5 to outflank anyway

Main replacement ideas
-Triple RP bomb for living storm D6 mortal wound and our new psyker relic

-Chaplain dreads for character protected BS2 LC

-Dual stormfangs

-Bring back my WS or Knight allies. WS still get army wide doctrines but knights would synergize well with my terminators arriving because 1 of them will be alive the following turn to cause havoc (I outflank my knight preceptor if I go 2nd)
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Awesome to see the old boys getting a run out. Id agree that the new update has certainly breathed some potential back into them.

 

This is a list im currently working on whilst trying to fit WGTDA in:

 

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Ive not fully kitted the WGDT out for combat as relying more on weight of attacks (with arjac + wulfen stone nearby) and being able to pop the executioners strat to finish off tough targets. 2 Units of long fangs at the back with Bjorn, lord & priest running up the table behind 3 rhinos should hopefully provide some distraction. Going 2nd is still gonna hurt though. Thinking of swtiching the wolf lord out for ragnars reroll charges - but he'll have a harder time keeping up.


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I wonder if it is worth replacing the JP WL with a JP WGBL. At the moment, his buff duplicates Bjorn's. The BL would allow you to reroll 1s both to-Hit and to-Wound (as well as freeing up a few points).
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Love this idea and info. Wolf guard Terminators were, and have always been,a favorite draw for the wolves for me. I want them to be effective enough to not regret bringing. I have been fiddling back and forth for a long time with a larger squad with a mix of combos shields and chainfists. Glad they are improved these days. ...can't wait to actually play again haha.

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I have my replacement lists.  Down to 2 candidates for the pure SW version

 

Both are in the army list forum

 

I will repost details here

 

Version 1 (Ragnar and WP synergy)
Version 2 (Triple RP psychic domination)

 

Both lists operate the same mid field
 
Chaplain dreads are forward to play board control with invictors or infiltrators hiding out of LOS and preventing the opponent from shooting the dreads
 
Phobos Lord makes it harder to remove the dreads
 
Armor of Russ can be nearby as well if opponent has nasty melee units (disco lords or knight gallant charging etc.)
 
 
If nothing comes near me I have LCs firing and just hold more objectives.
 
 
If the opponent has artillery the invictors have the job of hiding and living. 
 
 
 
Version 1 (Ragnar and a WP for canticle of hate combo)
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Version 2-(Triple RP for D6 mortal wound living lightning combo and psychic domination)
 
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Need to find time for field testing then I can report back

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I took the Runic Terminators out for a spin.

 

They had a stroll through a chaos army with 3 leviathans and demon princes.

 

His list (Death Guard and Emperor's Children)

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My list-Runic Terminators

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Pre game

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Turn 1

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Turn 2
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Turn 3
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Turn 4
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Final thoughts
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Edited by TiguriusX, 05 May 2020 - 12:51 PM.

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Love this experience info. I have wanted to do similar for a long time. Though I've never really considered chaplain dreads.
Thank you again for the write ups. (I may have bought that second squad of infiltrators I was considering, over the weekend)

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Where do you get the combi-plasma guns for your terminators?  


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Where do you get the combi-plasma guns for your terminators?


That is actually the hard part for when quarantine ends.

I have a bunch of shapeways combi plasma magnetized at the wrist I usually put on non terminators.

But I need to chop some arms off at the wrist first or buy custom arms to make it work with my terminators
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The forces of Russ participate in a training exercise with their friends the Blood Angels
 
 
 
His army
 
Blood Angel air force
3 stormravens
2 each carrying 5 DC an HQ and a relic contemptor dread
3rd carrying 5 DC and librarian dread
 
That is the core of his list....get in close and go blood angel melee crazy
 
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My list
Runic terminators again
I decided to try the talisman of storms relic on my phobos RP
Did NOT pay for an extra WL trait 
 
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Pre-game
We rolled a d6 and played ITC Nexus mission
 
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Deployment
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Turn 1
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Turn 2
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Turn 3
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Recap and final thoughts
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Space Wolves v Blood Angel armor transport
 
His list
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My list
Basically the same...I use armor of russ as my extra relic b/c BA will be getting into melee
I also swap Njals spell to include tempest wrath to try and nerf his LR
 
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Pre-game and deployment
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Turn 1
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Turn 2
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Recap and final thoughts
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This batrep probably ends the saga of the terminator trials.
 
My friend has been a very good sport throwing lists at it and helping me iron out the wrinkles.
 
However, it is not fun to be on the receiving end of a tournament caliber list so I will be putting my runic terminators on the side and playing more fun lists in the future.
 
He has given me some amazing feedback and helped me tweak this list and get comfortable with it.
 
When the plague of nurgle is over I will be bringing this list to tournaments

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Where do you get the combi-plasma guns for your terminators?  

 

I was going to wait until I had the test model to show off...but I see you asking this in other threads so may as well give you an update now

 

 

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I honestly can't see how you can ever go wrong with wolf guard terminators. You definitely want to have them around characters for maximum purge.

If you can get 2 characters with saga of the wolfkin, saga of the savage and a guy as the wulfen stone...6-7 attacks each just for the wolf guard hitting on 3s for hammers/fists

I only have 5 myself. But plan to get more.

For that TTS game..whats the hardware and data requirements to run it smooth? I have an older laptop with 4 gb ram and 1 gb video card with windows 10 that's collecting dust. I want to try out the TTS 40k

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If you can get 2 characters with saga of the wolfkin, saga of the savage and a guy as the wulfen stone...6-7 attacks each just for the wolf guard hitting on 3s for hammers/fists

 

 

With the new stratagem Fury of the champions you can actually hit on 2's with THs/PF/CFs (it works in any phase and gives you +1 to hit)

 

 

For that TTS game..whats the hardware and data requirements to run it smooth? I have an older laptop with 4 gb ram and 1 gb video card with windows 10 that's collecting dust. I want to try out the TTS 40k

 

It is on STEAM. 

I don't think it is too demanding but it may hang occasionally.  My new budget gaming PC I got for Xmas slows down when loading all the objects and occasional bucket of dice rolling

 

Here are the minimum requirements

 

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Have you thought  about  Murderfag in a Drop pod to acompany  those 2 warsuits ?


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Have you thought about Murderfag in a Drop pod to acompany those 2 warsuits ?


Not something I think works with this list

Would require 200+ points and I have already fine tuned and made hard cuts to get it where it is

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So my ebay purchase from Russia took 2+ months...but it finally arrived today

 

I am VERY happy with the combi plasma 3rd party bits

 

The style appeals to me

 

The back is PERFECTLY flat and sits flush with the arm/wrist

 

They came with magnet holes premade and it is a perfect fit

 

I suck at the hobby but you can image what someone could do with them

 

I have a bunch of grey knight right arms to convert now but my terminators should be prepped and ready to go if this plague ever ends

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Love the testing going on here :D  In 9th, I believe that plasmas will always cause the wielder to die on an unmodified 1, so the +1 to hit doesn't help.  Did you see that?






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