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Fabius Bile: Manflayer - HYPE THREAD (by Josh Reynolds)

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A few characters get lengthy introductions and then essentially disappear from the story, while others are exposited about and suddenly have payoff without much setup. Again, this isn’t an issue with the core cast, but there are a few surprises that come more from missing scenes rather than anything intentional by Reynolds. I can only assume this is because the final version was cut down from his initial drafts, so I don’t lay the blame on the author. As noted in this thread, there’s also a few major plot points that happened off-screen, and it makes me wonder if this was intended to be a trilogy in the first place, rather than 4 or 5 books.

 

 

Yes, this is a curious one. It's apparent by looking at the list of things Reynolds had mentioned earlier, some of which didn't make the final draft (on reddit here: https://www.reddit.c..._some_spoilers/)

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RE: the sizeable bit that we expected and doesn't feature in Manflayer, namely 

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, I'm not sure. Certainly there's enough theoretical material in there to make a whole novel and Reynolds would certainly do great things with it, but if the plan changed it must have been relatively early in the writing process as that time-jump and its implications felt pretty core to what Manflayer seems to do with Bile's character. The regret, the feelings of hurt and betrayal from the other members of the Consortium, the split/civil war among some of his other followers. I quite like that kind of 'trick' in other fiction. Here it wasn't eked out particularly slowly but the shock of gradually realising what Bile and Igori's relationship was now like worked on me.


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(maybe he’ll return one day, if Mitchell and King did anything can happen.)

 

Anything but the release of Umbra Sumus, it seems like :')

 

As eager as I am to get on Manflayer, I ended up opting for a full trilogy read back to back for this one. I just wouldn't have felt right about it otherwise, somehow. So I'm back to reading Primogenitor right now. Who needs to actually finish reading all those classics I am halfway through already? Pah. Ain't no stopping this Bile-train... unless you're Black Library and neglecting your authors.


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Just finished this beast of a hardback. A definite 5/5 or 9/10 for sure, but perhaps not quite the equal of Clonelord on a book-versus-book basis. Either way, it still served as an excellent wrapping up of the trilogy and developed a lot of the previous titles' themes to their natural conclusion - with a surprisingly awesome epilogue to boot!

 

There isn't anything I can say that Sandlemad or Roomsky haven't already said themselves that I can add to the discussion and praise of Manflayer

 

That being said...

 

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I finished Manflayer two days ago. I absolutely loved this trilogy. I have been a fan of GW since the mid 1980's. I've ready virtually every BL or GW published story over the years. I have never had a book or trilogy truly move how I feel about a character or Legion/Chapter. Some novels might darken a view or uplift another view but truly change? Never.

 

Until this series. Fabius Bile is the quintessential mad scientist that has no morals, twirls his fringe of head hair and cackles while he makes monsters. There was nothing deeper to him just a mad man who somehow is the Chief Apothecary for a Legion and over the 10k years is just a nutso who makes monsters and mutants.

 

This trilogy upended that view completely on its arse.  Now we have a deeply engaging character who has noble aspirations to try and save humanity from himself and a "Chaos" character that actively hates Chaos. I understand Manflayer had to end with Bile being far more closer to what we have seen in the codex over the  years. And it does much IMO to the detriment of the character.

 

There is still a new Bile in there and it does end with him emerging triumphant in his own unique way against all that has been put against him. We leave him processing new Primaris and trying to come up with a Chaos equivalent to match.  

 

I have read much of why Josh Reynolds is leaving BL but if there is any chance he can come back I pray it does happen. His works in 40k and AoS are truly excellent. 


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Incredible book!! As good as anything by the big guns like Abnett, ADB and Wraight. Such a shame that was his last novel for BL

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enjoying it so far. three thoughts:
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It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

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enjoying it so far. three thoughts:

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Still an excellent book though which lays waste to anything short of The Regent's Shadow or Saturnine released this year


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enjoying it so far. three thoughts:

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Still an excellent book though which lays waste to anything short of The Regent's Shadow or Saturnine released this year

 

largely agree. you could have halved the oleander parts and still had more or less the same book.

 

and if there's one criticism i have of reynold's writing is that he can be repetitive. not just with phrasing or character reactions on high rotation, but sometimes entire paragraphs resurface paraphrased a chapter or two later.

 

all in all, a great read. i tore through it with more gusto than saturnine, which i also enjoyed.

 

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thinking of fabius' whole new men schtick and how they're also somewhat descended from primarchs...is there any fiction on what fabius thinks of custodes?


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It always amused me that the GW Mail Order ‘Trolls’ as we (starting with me) had always styled ourselves insisted as being rebranded ‘Space Marines’. Why anyone would want to be associated with semi-lobotomized, hypnotically indoctrinated slave-soldiers in thrall to an uncaring (and possibly non-existent) god I couldn’t imagine. - Rick Priestley

 2019

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I think this is basically it, yeah. 

 

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