Thanks for the feedback guys, certainly lots to take in so gonna break down the replies to each point best I can!
Your force is nor playing to the strengths of the RoW. It suffers from being too elite in a RoW designed for mass infantry.
You have lots of Justaerin, but Cataphractii can hardly benefit from "Crusader" or "Fleet", only "Relentless". However, that bonus won't come into play unless you deepstrike in your own DZ. And beacause most of your force is deepstriking, you're missing out on "The Warmaster's Portion" bonus you get in turn 1. Only the termite vets get to enjoy the Long March to the fullest.
The list is certainly very elite-focused, but that is the aim of the list, trying to maximise the potential of the elite elements as best as I can. The Cataphractii do not benefit from that as you have pointed out, and the Relentless bonus is nice but not necessary with a very agressive list like this. The veterans being the only ones benefiting is a fair point, I'll get to that in a moment.
By comparaison, "The Black Reaving" allows the Justaerin to deepstrike on their own (no deadclaw tax and units can be 10 strong) and gain "Rage" when charging ennemies already engaged in combat. You don't need to take the chaplain (beacause the Master of Signals becomes compulsory), and instead of the Mortifactor (who cannot deepstrike with the dreads) you can take a Damocles Command Rhino (who can turn 3's into 4's, and 2's into 1's that can be rerolled with "edge of the spear")
Justaerin deep striking with the Black Reaving is good in theory, but the worries of scatter mishaps are very real, plus this means they will either be T3 charging and risking a dodgy mishap or later charges with a safer bet. A solution might be a nuncio-vox on the veterans, but they'd need to survive long enough to use it. The Mortificator isn't planning on deep striking, he's gonna be outflanking his dreads into position thanks to Horus for some heavy support up-front, but I can see the problem. The risk to the Justaerin out in the open is also a worry, but a big squad of 10 deep striking is definitely durable and terrifying to deal with!
Your list seems decent, but the Long March is a poor RoW for it.
It was originally Black Reaving, but after realising I had to take an extra FA choice to fit the pods I switched to make use of the T1 benefits to the Veterans. Back to the drawing board methinks though...
Why is this called The Long March when most of your lazy guys land already in enemy deployment zone? Only the poor Ancients have to walk all the way there. They should rename this RoW as "the Short March"...
They took the long march around the edge of the board to get into outflank positions
In all seriousness, it looks awesome. Very hard hitting and mobile. It's got very unique feel to it and really shows what Tip of the Spear looks like.I think you sir are good to go with that list - you might struggle with some things (like flyers or some well protected armoured ceramite vehicle. Did I mention flyers?) but the sheer aggression combined with huge threat level of your units should prevail.
Thanks! I think given the feedback from Scorpion I may have to rethink it a little bit; got lots of food for thought! Yeah I am debating getting a Xiphon for exactly that task to be honest...
The list is not without flaws - the Short March is not utilized to its best but on the other hand - it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have strict restrictions so any bonus you can get is already a win. But you pay a lot for those 5 man units that can just evaporate under a Blast from Medusa General lack of ranged firepower besides orbitals and plasma cannons also hurts. But it looks very fun, so I do think you should go with it. It's risky but isn't this what Tip of the Spear should be?
If ever I run The Long March for events I'm gonna name it Short March - totally nicking that idea
Very few things I noticed:
- I'd give to one combi-melta to Chaplain instead of Terminator. The ballistic skill increase might not be a big deal but you may lose one terminator before you use combi-melta while I assume that Chaplain at this time will still be aluve and kicking. No point in losing that 10 pts for nought.
The BS difference isn't a factor - they're all hitting on 2's thanks to Death Dealers but the re-roll to hit on 6 may make a difference, I'd just have to deal with.......ODD POINTS
- Even thoug MoS is hardly a fighter, he does have Centurion stats and one more points in WS, A, and I. He should be the one carrying a sword instead of one Veteran. I know, it costs +5 pts but it usually comes with +78% increase in effectiveness on a higher Initiative.
Yeah that's reasonable, I'll throw one on him especially in a "suicide squad" like that...
- Have you considered mixed loadout on Dreads? You lack anti-marine firepower (meltas and orbital blasts don't count, they are anti everything) so a few plasma blasts are not bad and are fairly cheap but for me they are not too effective.
To be honest, not settled on a loadout for them I'm happy with beyond all the same weapon because I have yet to embrace the glory of remembering they can split fire
Edited by The Ironic Warrior, 13 May 2020 - 01:54 AM.