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Lockdown army - Want some constructive criticism

2000 space marine White Scars

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Commander Nicky

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So we have lockdown and I have been working on an White Scars successor army which I wanted to be both be competitive and fun to play with. I'm still relatively new to 40k and SM, so I would like some constructive criticism; What may work what would not work so well...

 

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++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [53 PL, , 961pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Hungry for Battle, Warded, White Scars Successor

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

+ Stratagems +

Gifts of the Khans [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 143pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Chaplain in Terminator Armor [5 PL, -2CP, 105pts]: 3. Exhortation of Rage, 6. Canticle of Hate, Combi-melta, Litany of Hate, Stratagem: Master of Sanctity, Stratagem: Tempered by Wisdom, The Imperium's Sword, Warlord, Wise Orator

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 82pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon

+ Elites +

Ancient in Terminator Armor [5 PL, 98pts]: Banner of the Eagle, Power fist, Storm bolter

Terminator Assault Squad [18 PL, 272pts]: Teleport Homer
. Terminator Sergeant
. . Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield: Storm shield, Thunder hammer
. 7x Terminator w/x2LC: 7x Lightning Claw (Pair)

Vanguard Veteran Squad [7 PL, 111pts]: Jump Pack
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

++ Spearhead Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [48 PL, 1,038pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Hungry for Battle, Warded, White Scars Successor

+ HQ +

Primaris Lieutenants [8 PL, 138pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword
. Primaris Lieutenant: Power sword

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 90pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [6 PL, 154pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 108pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminator with Las Fusil: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Las Fusil

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor [4 PL, 103pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome

Impulsor [4 PL, 103pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Shield Dome

++ Total: [101 PL, 1,999pts] ++

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Edited by Commander Nicky, 18 May 2020 - 08:25 PM.


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Hungry for Battle will do good in a White Scars Successor. Warded isn’t that good, it only applies to Mortal wounds and you don’t take that many mortal wounds in a game to devote half your successor trait to be worth it. Whirlwind of Rage would be a good alternative.

Chaplain, you won’t be able to use a Litany on the turn you drop considering giving him a Jump Pack instead, and you can’t take both Wise Orator AND The Imperium’s Sword. The Stratagem Tempered by Wisdom requires the second Warlord Trait to be from the White Scars Supplement. Rolling the Ancient in here if you terminators don’t make it into conbat the +1str banner is useless, instead drop him and give your Chaplain the Plainstrider Plume, with Hungry for Battle your Chaplain effectively gets Canticle of Hate without rolling for it. For your Terminators, I would actually go with the shooting version then you can shoot chaff and still have a close combat unit, just change the Chaplains Litanies to the White Scars specific one Strike Off the Head, and a one for specific circumstances. Usually you should use Litany of Hate and Strike Off the Head to re-roll to hit and Wound.

Dropping that Terminator Ancient now gives you the points for a sixth Troop choice and four more Command Points, I would also swap one Lieutenants weapon for a Stalker Bolt Rifle to hang with your back line support, optionally the back line Lieutenant can be turned firstborn and given a Master-Crafted Bolter and Powersword, and turn the other one into a Primaris Librarian dropping Devastator Plasma Cannons for the Points. I would drop the Vanguard Vets as well and put Thunderhammers or Power Fists on your intercessor Squads and promote them to Veterans. With dropping the Ancient and the Vanguard the troop choice you get could be a third Intercessor Squad with Impulsor transport.


Taking my advice a Jump Pack Chaplain can advance with your Impulsors and keep up. A First born Lieutenant can hang out with your Tacticals, Snipers, and Devastator Squad. The Impulsors move up with the Chaplain. Turn two the Veteran Intercessors disembark along with a Librarian who stops Overwatch, and whatever else you give him, and your Terminators drop with three Veteran Intercessor Squads and a Terminator Squad benefitting from re-rolls to hit AND wound the will butcher things in melee. Turn three onwards those Power Fists are dealing 2-4 damage each.

Oh I forgot about your Smash Captain your playing White Scars Successor give him a Master-Crafted Power Fist. Before turn three you “only” do 2-4 damage, after turn three it’s 3-5. To save 31 pts on a Master-Crafted Thunderhammer I think it is worth it. Again moving the Imperium’s Sword over to him would do great, or you can also give him the White Scars trait Chogorian Storm or Hunters Instincts. If you make him your Warlord with Tempered by Wisdom any two of those Warlord Traits.

Drop the Ironhail Heavy Stubbers from your Impulsors, they don’t serve much of a point.

Edited by CCE1981, 19 May 2020 - 12:21 AM.


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Warded? Guess u face 1000suns a lot? If no there are more significant choices. Claw terminators are soft and too slow for their role. Biggest thing is that this is a dual battalion list that has missed out on a bunch of cp.

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Commander Nicky

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Thakyou very much both of you smile.png I have edited the army a bit after considering your suggestions and my army now looks like this:

 

Again any comments is appreciated smile.png

 

I just think that i spendt a lot of CP on the army through...

 


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [49 PL, -1CP, 877pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Hungry for Battle, Whirlwind of Rage, White Scars Successor

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

+ Stratagems +

Gifts of the Khans [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, -1CP, 112pts]: Hunter's Instincts, Jump Pack, Power fist, Storm shield, Stratagem: Tempered by Wisdom, The Imperium's Sword, Warlord

Chaplain [5 PL, -2CP, 99pts]: 3. Exhortation of Rage, 6. Canticle of Hate, Jump Pack, Litany of Hate, Plume of the Plainsrunner, Power fist, Stratagem: Hero of the Chapter, Stratagem: Master of Sanctity, Wise Orator

+ Troops +

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 82pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Missile launcher

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Heavy bolter

Tactical Squad [4 PL, 78pts]
. 3x Space Marine: 3x Bolt pistol, 3x Boltgun, 3x Frag & Krak grenades
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon

+ Elites +

Terminator Squad [20 PL, 289pts]: Teleport Homer
. Terminator Sergeant: Power sword, Storm bolter
. Terminator w/CF: Chainfist, Storm bolter
. Terminator w/Heavy Weapon: Assault cannon, Power fist
. 5x Terminator w/PF: 5x Power fist, 5x Storm bolter

+ Heavy Support +

Devastator Squad [6 PL, 145pts]: Armorium Cherub
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Lascannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon
. Space Marine w/Heavy Weapon: Plasma cannon

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [52 PL, -3CP, 1,122pts] ++

+ Configuration +

**Chapter Selection**: Hungry for Battle, Whirlwind of Rage, White Scars Successor

+ HQ +

Primaris Librarian [5 PL, 98pts]: 3) Ride the Winds, 5) Spirits of Chogoris, Force sword

Primaris Lieutenants [4 PL, 69pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

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Intercessor Squad [5 PL, -1CP, 99pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle, Veteran Intercessors
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, -1CP, 99pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle, Veteran Intercessors
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Power fist

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, -1CP, 106pts]: Auto Bolt Rifle, Veteran Intercessors
. 4x Intercessor: 4x Bolt pistol, 4x Frag & Krak grenades
. Intercessor Sergeant: Thunder hammer

+ Fast Attack +

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

Suppressor Squad [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

+ Heavy Support +

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 108pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Camo cloak, Las Fusil
. 2x Eliminator with Las Fusil: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades, 2x Las Fusil

Eliminator Squad [4 PL, 72pts]
. Eliminator Sergeant: Bolt sniper rifle, Camo cloak
. 2x Eliminator with Bolt Sniper: 2x Bolt pistol, 2x Bolt sniper rifle, 2x Camo cloak, 2x Frag & Krak grenades

+ Dedicated Transport +

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

Impulsor [4 PL, 97pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Shield Dome

++ Total: [101 PL, -4CP, 1,999pts] ++

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Edited by Commander Nicky, 19 May 2020 - 08:07 AM.

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That looks like a lot more solid list!

 

  As far as CPs go, that's a judgement call, at this point.  If it was me I would say your good, but ultimately it is up to you.  Try the list out, decide if it's just enough or if you need more CPs. 



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I have been considering exchanging the primaris librarian with a terminator librarian with the same discplines. I need 9 pts additional points to do that and I can get them by exchanging the devastator's lascannon to a plasma cannon... I can then place the terminator librarian in the terminator squad and use Ride the Winds if my Chaplain is occupied elsewhere (or is dead :/ )... Does it sounds wise or is it totally out of mind?



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Sounds like it would work just fine.







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