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Interesting.  Unless I'm missing it, the rules for storm shields were not updated in the FAQ, but they are updated in the FAQ for the new box.    

 

So that implies that the storm shield rules leaked only applies to the primaris storm shields doesn't it?  Or did I just miss it?

That's correct. From the Edge of Silence FAQ (the mini campaign book in the Indomitus box that contains the datasheets for the new units)

 

 

When used in isolation – say, when playing through the missions in Edge of Silencethese rules work perfectly well, but when used with a Battle-forged army, it is possible to upgrade a Character with Artificer Armour, and in doing so have a model with a Save characteristic of 1+. This was not our intention, and so we are changing the rules for both these items of wargear as they appear on these datasheets.

 

Please also note that while some weapons and other items of wargear (e.g. storm shields) appear in other places with slightly different rules, the rules for them that appear in Edge of Silence should not apply to other units – you should continue to use the rules as printed in your current Codex for the time being.

 

So any other existing stormshields keep their 3++ for now. It also means that the new 'astartes chainsword' only apply to Assault Intercessors, and only the bladeguard get master-crafted powerswords with +1S.


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The chainsword applies to outriders as well
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So any other existing stormshields keep their 3++ for now. It also means that the new 'astartes chainsword' only apply to Assault Intercessors, and only the bladeguard get master-crafted powerswords with +1S.


For now that is the case but it may change on the 25th. The page with the FAQ mentions that there are also more sweeping weapon stat changes in the new rulebook itself such as specifying which weapons gain the blast ability. Possibly Astartes Chainswords will be included in that although it is by no means certain. GHW also said that POTMS would do something different in 9th and instead they have just deleted it (OK yes that is technically different but stretching it a bit blink.png ). I don't think we can take pre-release rumours at face-value, even when they come from GW themselves.


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Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.

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It's also possible we may need to wait for a new codex for e.g. intercessor sgt chainswords getting upgraded. Even then, I'd put even money on firstborn chainswords staying as is, just as normal bolters didn't get the -1 AP bolt rifles do. Gotta flog the new shiny! We'll just have to wait and see.


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Just saw the points changes for us.
All I'll say is ouch.

On the plus side, the relic contemptor got cheaper somehow?
Ordering the BA specific one a week ago totally rewarded
Now hurry up and get here you pretty chunk of resin

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Why has Dante gone up 20pts ?

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Why has Dante gone up 20pts ?

 

Pretty much everything has gone up. It's a readjustment so armies are a bit smaller again (similar to early 8th points) and so GW has room to adjust things downwards again.


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I think tagging certain vehicles equipped with blast weapons will still have much the same effect. For example if a basilisk can’t kill the tag unit with its single heavy bolter it doesn’t get to shoot the earthshaker cannon at all.

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My army from last Sunday went up by 180 points. My Vanguard of 10 are the same points as my Sangguard of 8, 272 each. I think my saving grace were the Terminators, which only saw a minor increase of 5 points, 10 with the teleport homer. Since I often forget to use it or someone walks inside of 9", I might as well skip it from now on...

 

Tactical Marines at 90-ish points are too close to Primaris when kitted out, not liking that at all. Combined with the increase on Razorbacks I'd have to think twice about using the ol' faithful Tacs in RBs for a while...Incursors sure look interesting. I don't like this pricing model. Tacs weren't great at 12 points, they were decent enough.

 

Baal Predators were already too expensive in 8th, and are now ~15 points more than before. With the new rules for firing in engagement range, they might have been more balanced at their 8th point costs. HB being 30 now really hurts them...

Quad-Las Predators, weirdly enough, went down a few points!

 

Also, my beloved Sanguinary Priest went up back to 90 points. :(

 

I do hope they backpaddle a bit regarding the point costs, but that will take another bloody year when Chapter Approved '21 drops.

 

 

PS: Offering Indomitus as made to order was a good move from GW. You pause, and you can almost hear the sounds of hundreds of scalpers angrily beating their fists on greasy keyboards as their plans for a little extra cash on the side have been foiled. It was a good day after all. B)


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My 1499p BA list I played last went up by 169p. Easily fixed by kicking out the one Suppressor squad and the one Eliminator squad (or the Redemptor Dread but I want to keep that one lol). Also had the neat sideeffect of increasing my CP by 3+n. Which makes upgrading my 3 Intercessor units to Veterans less painful. :D 


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I don't know which intern they've let loose on the spreadsheets, but overall most changes don't appear sensible.

 

The changes were not done from a perspective of balance like previous CAs.  They were done as an overall increase of *all* units in the game. 
Sadly, there's very  little reason for it.  


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Well the reason is GW wants smaller armies on smaller tables i.e. quicker tournaments with more players.

Edited by Quixus, Today, 10:38 AM.

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I have just seen the Plasma Inceptors have gotten Blast and also dropped to 45ppm. That means they are cheaper and will always get 6 shots against units of 6+! Combined with the extra wound they received last year and I am really glad I chose to magnetise my 2 squads.

 

The burn is incoming! :D

 

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Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.

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Mind you. Bolter Inceptors are 25ppm if I am reading this correctly. That is almost crazily good for 3 T5 wounds and 6 S5 AP-1 shots.


Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.

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If it weren’t for those flight stands...

That’s my real fear for 9th - we’ll get primaris sanguinary guard and they’ll come on those damn things.




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