The Heresy in the 9th Edition Era

[Cris R]

Hi folks, I wanted to start a thread about what people think will happen with the Heresy as GW rolls out 9th edition. On my end, I’m assuming that any major updates to 30k won’t happen until at least 2021 but that revolves more around the release of the Black Books and workload distribution among the Specialist team than the release of the new edition of 40k. That said, it could reinforce this timeline if the entire company focuses on the rollout for the next year or so. What does everyone else think?

[Mogsam]

It will have no impact at all hopefully.

[Son of Carnelian]

It will be the same as in 8th Edition: no changes. GW has openly said they view HH as a separate game system at this point. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't think they will go to 9th edition. They may do another edition of HH at some point, but I think it will be based on the current HH ruleset.

When they announced The Old World, they made the analogy of 'historic' with Age of Darkness. I think that was meant not just in timeline, but in ruleset, as the old world was implied to have the rank & file style system, vs just being the AoS ruleset. There are folks that don't like the way 8e+ works, and HH gives them an outlet for that to be retained as customers.

Edited May 24, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion

[ProsperoStands]

*sigh*
30k will always be it's own system.

[battle captain corpus]

Age of Darkness will have its own timeline for releases and cool books etc separate to everything to do with 9th and 40k.

 

I’ve been having loads of conversations recently about the HH, including boxed sets, kits and everything we know and love. If anything the Age of Darkness is stronger with every 40k release in my opinion as it’s all potential conversion & inspiration for the hobby. :)

 

BCC

[Cris R]

I don't think they will go to 9th edition. They may do another edition of HH at some point, but I think it will be based on the current HH ruleset.

 

When they announced The Old World, they made the analogy of 'historic' with Age of Darkness. I think that was meant not just in timeline, but in ruleset, as the old world was implied to have the rank & file style system, vs just being the AoS ruleset. There are folks that don't like the way 8e+ works, and HH gives them an outlet for that to be retained as customers.

I think this is right. Given that 9th edition is more like version 8.5, HH ruleset will maintain its roots in 7th edition is with potential tweaks down the road. I think it would have been a little less clear what would have happened to HH had 9th edition gone off in a wildly different direction. But I think the news about The Old World shows where GW is taking both franchises in the future.

[MegaVolt87]

40k FW getting a 9e re-work has the potential for the FW vechicles such as the sicaran getting a plastic kit to expand sales outside of 30k. Heck its a no brainer to move 30k knights to plastic for easier use by 40k players, everyone likes knights (mostly).

[MARK0SIAN]

FW are on record as saying they want to finish all the black books with the current ruleset so that everyone has rules for their faction. Tony himself has said that in seminars. This means that until they say ‘this is the last black book’ or ‘this is the end of the series’ then we know they’re sticking with the current rule system.

 

I guess that doesn’t totally rule out a revision but it won’t be anything that changes things dramatically and invalidates any of the other black books.

[Brofist]

30k is a specialist game with out own rules system, so 9th isn't going to have any impact on us. More so because the people who write our books and produce our models are part of FW, which is dedicated to specialist games, and not the flagship studio that works on the mainline products.

 

One other thing I'd bring up- there's no telling how COVID will impact GW's plans to bring out 9th edition. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Brofist

[MegaVolt87]

30k is a specialist game with out own rules system, so 9th isn't going to have any impact on us. More so because the people who write our books and produce our models are part of FW, which is dedicated to specialist games, and not the flagship studio that works on the mainline products.

 

One other thing I'd bring up- there's no telling how COVID will impact GW's plans to bring out 9th edition. I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

Generic resin FW only exclusive infantry like tartaros, mk III squad etc moved to plastic man. There is a good chance the 9th ed 40k FW re-work has potential for select 30k vehicles to move to plastic. Like I said, 30k knights are an easy move to plastics for guaranteed sales. Plenty of knight players like the 30k knights but want nothing to do with the resin, like others who would otherwise get a FW vehicle. Moving vehicles to plastics is a safer bet than porting say, specialist resin units like ad mech 30k kits to plastic sadly. So 9th ed has a good chance of bringing plastic vehicles to 30k instead of resin. 

[Marshal Rohr]

I imagine once 9th drops AoD 2nd Edition won’t be far behind. We are still a ways away from a brand new specialist game to fill the August SG big release slot that saw AT and AI the last two years and while the Rona will definitely have an impact on releases going forward I don’t imagine we make it to 2021 without some kind of movement on the main rules for AoD. Now that GW is almost back up and running Thramas and the lion will be getting a release fairly soon too. Edited May 26, 2020 by Marshal Rohr

[Brother Styphus]

I'd imagine it happening at some point if the sales stagnate, but not anytime soon. They couldn't even force out an Imperial Armor during the lifespan of 8th, so I wouldn't hold my breath. 

[Marshal Rohr]

They’re not making Imperial Armor anymore

[ProsperoStands]

I imagine once 9th drops AoD 2nd Edition won’t be far behind. We are still a ways away from a brand new specialist game to fill the August SG big release slot that saw AT and AI the last two years and while the Rona will definitely have an impact on releases going forward I don’t imagine we make it to 2021 without some kind of movement on the main rules for AoD. Now that GW is almost back up and running Thramas and the lion will be getting a release fairly soon too.

I think we are probably a few years away from that. Between development time, playtesting, and the push back from COVID.

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

A little off topic so please forgive me, have they stated why they're not doing imperial armour book any more? Lack of capacity or other reasons?

 

I ask because I, like many, love those books. The Badab war books for example has made a huge impact on people's hobby.

[MARK0SIAN]

A little off topic so please forgive me, have they stated why they're not doing imperial armour book any more? Lack of capacity or other reasons?

 

I ask because I, like many, love those books. The Badab war books for example has made a huge impact on people's hobby.

The main 40k rules writers have taken over writing all the rules for Forgeworld stuff that appears in 40k. Forgeworld now only writes rules for the heresy and other specialist games.

 

That means unless the main studio decide to do an imperial armour book then it can’t happen.

Edited May 26, 2020 by MARK0SIAN

[Brother Styphus]

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Edited May 26, 2020 by Brother Styphus

[GodEmperorOfMankind]

Sad times :(