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[Joe]

WarCom Article.

Chaos Knights today; go figure.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Huh, literally nothing since they told us yesterday you'd get refunded.

[Noserenda]

Yup, truly a nadir in usefulness... :/ 

Hopefully

[chapter master 454]

and I thought they couldn't give LESS info than what they gave with the Imperial Knights...would feel bad for you chaos knight guys if you didn't get to chose you weapon loadouts on your knights!

[MARK0SIAN]

I haven’t understood why they’ve bothered getting play testers to write any of these articles, they haven’t given a single insight into how any of the factions work in 9th that couldn’t have been worked out just from what we know already.

[Lemondish]

I haven’t understood why they’ve bothered getting play testers to write any of these articles, they haven’t given a single insight into how any of the factions work in 9th that couldn’t have been worked out just from what we know already.

They're for introducing new players to the faction and are not written for current veteran players of that faction.

Don't worry if it doesn't feel informative enough for you - based on their conversations on social media, it seems clear that the content isn't for the super fans looking for every piece of info.

[Lord Marshal]

I haven’t understood why they’ve bothered getting play testers to write any of these articles, they haven’t given a single insight into how any of the factions work in 9th that couldn’t have been worked out just from what we know already.

They're for introducing new players to the faction and are not written for current veteran players of that faction.

Don't worry if it doesn't feel informative enough for you - based on their conversations on social media, it seems clear that the content isn't for the super fans looking for every piece of info.

Except everything short of the lore blerb pretty much assumes you already have knowledge of how both 40k and your faction works, what with the whole, "This is what's changed, here is super awesome buffed stuff and WHAT YOU SHOULD BUY RIGHT NOW" parts.

If it was for new players it would be advising them to buy Start Collecting(!)s or at least core units, not things like Thunderfire Cannons.

Edited by Lord Marshal, 28 June 2020 - 03:30 PM.

[MARK0SIAN]

I haven’t understood why they’ve bothered getting play testers to write any of these articles, they haven’t given a single insight into how any of the factions work in 9th that couldn’t have been worked out just from what we know already.

They're for introducing new players to the faction and are not written for current veteran players of that faction.

Don't worry if it doesn't feel informative enough for you - based on their conversations on social media, it seems clear that the content isn't for the super fans looking for every piece of info.

I get their intent, it still doesn’t answer why they bothered getting play testers to write them though. The community guys themselves could’ve done it easily. In fact, getting competitive, highly ranked players to write it seems the opposite of who you’d choose for an intro for new players

[Lord Marshal]

I get their intent, it still doesn’t answer why they bothered getting play testers to write them though. The community guys themselves could’ve done it easily. In fact, getting competitive, highly ranked players to write it seems the opposite of who you’d choose for an intro for new players

It adds an air of legitimacy to their PR babble, because most people would expect the company to say it's the bestist thing ever, but if they get a competitive player to do so then that implies they have an actual opinion that's their own - even if they don't.

"Wow if this competitive player says that XYZ will be super awesome next edition it must be true! I'll go and buy three of them right now!"

They presumably did it for free too, which GW probably see as a bonus.

Edited by Lord Marshal, 28 June 2020 - 03:50 PM.

[Paturabo]

Except everything short of the lore blerb pretty much assumes you already have knowledge of how both 40k and your faction works, what with the whole, "This is what's changed, here is super awesome buffed stuff and WHAT YOU SHOULD BUY RIGHT NOW" parts.

If it was for new players it would be advising them to buy Start Collecting(!)s or at least core units, not things like Thunderfire Cannons.

While I agree that these (and just about every article GW posts) are written with a sales driven skew, the Start Collecting boxes are pretty well advertised.

They have their own section in the website under "Start Here" and are one of the first couple of boxes that come up when you select an army on the website, not to mention that they have the words "START COLLECTING" written in large font at the top of the box to let potential new players know they're where to start.

These articles can be "what you should buy next" for new players as much as they are for experienced players. GW doesn't care as long as you keep buying.

[Aqui]

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[Prot]

Hmm, that detachment info seems actually bigger to me than the actual "faction" content. (At least to me anyways.)

 

I've wondered how Admech will take a Knight. It seems as far as full on super heavy detachment, this will be extremely costly unless you want to keep your Warlord as a Knight. Which to be honest is usually not the case as we see the Knight usually taking a Warlord trait via pre-game Stratagem.

 

Even Chaos. My Black Legion... usually, actually 100% of the time Abaddon is the Warlord. So to take a super heavy detachment, I'm losing 6 CP! 

 

I always felt AdMech were perfectly 'narrative' in taking a Knight or 3. Unless there's something we don't know, this will be quite cumbersome now.

[Raven1]

Even Chaos. My Black Legion... usually, actually 100% of the time Abaddon is the Warlord. So to take a super heavy detachment, I'm losing 6 CP!

A) Doesn't Abaddon grant CP?

I think it's fair to say most list especially competitive lists don't survive an edition change. My list from 3rd to 7th to 8th arent really the same at all.

C) while I think it's far to be upset about not taking Abaddon and some knights. Gw is really pushing single faction lists (which is great if you play Space Marines). I have serious concerns for Eldar, and Chaos who have thrived and needed multiple factions to even be competitive. With what we have now I can completely see Chaos Demons, Chaos Knights, Thousands Sons just completely disappearing. They all have few if any competitive options that were really seen as a single faction.

Edited by Raven1, 29 June 2020 - 10:59 PM.

[Prot]

 

Even Chaos. My Black Legion... usually, actually 100% of the time Abaddon is the Warlord. So to take a super heavy detachment, I'm losing 6 CP!

A) Doesn't Abaddon grant CP?

I think it's fair to say most list especially competitive lists don't survive an edition change. My list from 3rd to 7th to 8th arent really the same at all.

C) while I think it's far to be upset about not taking Abaddon and some knights. Gw is really pushing single faction lists (which is great if you play Space Marines). I have serious concerns for Eldar, and Chaos who have thrived and needed multiple factions to even be competitive. With what we have now I can completely see Chaos Demons, Chaos Knights, Thousands Sons just completely disappearing. They all have few if any competitive options that were really seen as a single faction.

 

A. If he’s your warlord. 
 

B. I was looking at this change completely from a ‘true to background’ perspective. 
 

C.  Absolutely, but I left that out since it’s a Chaos Knights related thread. But yes, Thousand Sons have few options left now. But ironically I never allied them with anything but CK. That being said let’s wait  till we hear how they handle daemons before throwing in the towel.