Sonoftherubric21 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) So for this discussion we have some very interesting info.... Princes are 185 with wings. Prince on foot's 150. Exalted Sorcerer is now 100 flat *including* gear. Exalted on Disc is now 120 including gear. Ahriman on disc is now 170, so up a pip. Ahriman on foot however....is now 150. Tzaangors are 9ppm. Rubricae are 18ppm, inferno gun still free. Warpflamer 8. Soul cannon 10. Engines and Tanks follow same pattern as other Chaos, with engines....seemingly in a decent position. Digging that. So.... While Rubricae went up a pip, the force staves became free therefore Rubricae are basically a wash. I didn't see the Terminator costs, but I know that combis went up, Infernos-combis probably did as well by a hair. But again: stave is free, so it seems a wash! Addendum, FAQ is out as well since posting: Cult relics are now fixed, at least how it reads. Any character from a Cult may take that cults relic. If Magnus is warlord he does not lock out Cult access for traits or relics, and if you use the "Extra trait" strat you can give a relevant cult unit their own cults trait. Edited July 14, 2020 by Sonoftherubric21 HighMarshalAmp, Skerr and Prot 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Thanks!Great, I thought I'd get to 2000pts sooner and now I have to paint the exact same ridisulous amount of golden embellishments as before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 So for this discussion we have some very interesting info.... Princes are 185 with wings. Prince on foot's 150. Exalted Sorcerer is now 100 flat *including* gear. Exalted on Disc is now 120 including gear. Ahriman on disc is now 170, so up a pip. Ahriman on foot however....is now 150. Tzaangors are 9ppm. Rubricae are 18ppm, inferno gun still free. Warpflamer 8. Soul cannon 10. Engines and Tanks follow same pattern as other Chaos, with engines....seemingly in a decent position. Digging that. So.... While Rubricae went up a pip, the force staves became free therefore Rubricae are basically a wash. I didn't see the Terminator costs, but I know that combis went up, Infernos-combis probably did as well by a hair. But again: stave is free, so it seems a wash! Addendum, FAQ is out as well since posting: Cult relics are now fixed, at least how it reads. Any character from a Cult may take that cults relic. If Magnus is warlord he does not lock out Cult access for traits or relics, and if you use the "Extra trait" strat you can give a relevant cult unit their own cults trait. Cult relics are fixed in blue, but they still left in the old FAQ referencing the old ruling that said they can't take one of the new relics if not your warlord. Funny. The intent is clear based on the blue text, but they need to clear that up. Sonoftherubric21 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 So good news all around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I like the drop in ES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 So good news all around? IMHO: I think we are in a very good position despite the subtle nerfs to psychic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordas Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 are we still smiting on 5's all the time or does that go up after each cast now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 are we still smiting on 5's all the time or does that go up after each cast now? Goes up. Seems fine IMO. Less HQs, less character spamm (supreme command detatchment fixed). HQs support and units do the killing/taking and holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Using fallback to embark with Exalted into Rhino when it's too hot in the kitchen? Edited July 13, 2020 by Zodd1888 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeinox Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 100pt Exalted Sorcerers is awesome Skerr and JamesI 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordas Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 are we still smiting on 5's all the time or does that go up after each cast now? Goes up. Seems fine IMO. Less HQs, less character spamm (supreme command detatchment fixed). HQs support and units do the killing/taking and holding. Thanks, I haven't had a game with my TS yet so you'll have to excuse me but is there any rule limiting the number of times we can cast our cult special power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 are we still smiting on 5's all the time or does that go up after each cast now?Goes up.Seems fine IMO. Less HQs, less character spamm (supreme command detatchment fixed). HQs support and units do the killing/taking and holding. Thanks, I haven't had a game with my TS yet so you'll have to excuse me but is there any rule limiting the number of times we can cast our cult special power?The rule of 1 and it not being smite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Ridcully Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 As some one who used contemptors and a xiphon as anti tank, ouch the points hikes hurts, My hellfored predator is looking golden so may be using that more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 So for this discussion we have some very interesting info.... Princes are 185 with wings. Prince on foot's 150. Exalted Sorcerer is now 100 flat *including* gear. Exalted on Disc is now 120 including gear. Ahriman on disc is now 170, so up a pip. Ahriman on foot however....is now 150. Tzaangors are 9ppm. Rubricae are 18ppm, inferno gun still free. Warpflamer 8. Soul cannon 10. Engines and Tanks follow same pattern as other Chaos, with engines....seemingly in a decent position. Digging that. So.... While Rubricae went up a pip, the force staves became free therefore Rubricae are basically a wash. I didn't see the Terminator costs, but I know that combis went up, Infernos-combis probably did as well by a hair. But again: stave is free, so it seems a wash! Addendum, FAQ is out as well since posting: Cult relics are now fixed, at least how it reads. Any character from a Cult may take that cults relic. If Magnus is warlord he does not lock out Cult access for traits or relics, and if you use the "Extra trait" strat you can give a relevant cult unit their own cults trait. Actually, it looks like my response was incorrect. Arcana are still indeed limited by a <CULT> Warlord, Magnus just doesn't lock them out anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 So with Exalted Sorc dropping 12pts, plus force staves becoming free, that's essentially a 22point or so drop, right? Any hidden increases? SOT's at 38ppm are still cheaper than indomitus terms, right? they should be good. Dolchiate Remembrancer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I've not seen specifics for how SOT points have changed, which is very relevant to my interests. Does anyone know what these are? Stormbolters and equivalents going up isn't great considering what you get but the overall package is what counts most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I believe it's their power weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I've heard people talk about increase in contemptors cost, but can't seem to find it. Could someone let me know how much they increased? I've been debating between las cannon predators and quad las cannon contemptors as fire support. Contemptors were the clear winner in 8th, but I decided to wait till 9th to find out what changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Don't quote me on this but I believe the base Contemptor cost went up from 88 to 105 = 17 pts increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montoya Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Thanks Prot. In the blood angels forum I noticed that it does have that as the difference. I assume the same for TS, but didn't know if we had seen it posted anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreaterChickenofTzeentch Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I believe it's their power weapons. SOT's went to 30 apiece and the Power Swords went to 5. That's where their increases came from per StrikingScorpion82's video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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