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[Iron Hands Fanatic]

So the prospects of eventually seeing an increased plastic presence in the Heresy line has been discussed a bit more frequently lately, and I've had a highly detailed vision of what a core-plastic 30k range might look like pinging around the inside of my skull incessantly, so I thought I'd excise it from my body in the form of a detailed break-down so I can torment y'all with some totally baseless speculation!

 

I love the idea of core plastic ranges for all factions - not just the Legions - supplemented with all-resin kits and resin upgrade sets wherever feasible, and as there's a general consensus that Heresy starter sets are kinda essential to help get folks past the hobby's relatively high entry barrier, thought I'd chuck around some ideas for 30k Start Collecting sets:

 

Legion Start Collecting Kits:

 

 

Admittedly, the idea of GW producing 18 separate Start Collecting kits just to help collectors differentiate between the 30k Legions might be a bit optimistic (considering the breakdown would be 72 kits), but the idea here would be to provide sets that allow players to either build an elite Legion force, or mix parts with generic Legions kits to 'flavour' their force.

 

They'd each include:

• a 5-man Legion veteran squad, packed with extra gubbins kinda like the 30k Sternguard kit, so you get 5 heavily themed Veterans, as well as an excess of Legion-specific upgrades you can distribute across a force - heavily inspired by the FW IH MkIII Squad, this could account for the now-defunct Legion head & torso upgrade sets as well as allowing for the removal of stuff like the DG manreaper & EC phoenix spear resin upgrade kits.


• a 5-man Legion terminator squad, ideally in a different pattern to any unique Terminator unit the Legion in question has - e.g for the Iron Hands a Cataphractii squad - again, fully bedecked in Legion-specific embellishments and wargear options.


• a plastic rendition of the Legion-specific Contemptor sets - if these kits had a larger sprue compared to the very tightly-packed current plastic version, you could get a much greater amount of pose-ability and probably some more weapons options.


• a 'Legion Consul' character mini - unlike most monopose character models, these would be closer to the space marine commander set, with a bunch of different wargear options (including all Legion-specific ones) to represent various consuls, although wargear for all different types wouldn't be practical, having stuff for the most Legion-appropriate consuls make sense (to continue the IH train, stuff like the Forge Lord, Praevian, & Mortifactor). Including a Legion-styled banner for a Herald consul in all these kits would also be rad because it could easily be combo'd with the veteran squad in the box to build a Praetor & Command squad.


• In all these kits, once sprue space has been filled out with Legion-specific wargear & basic loadouts, additional options included would be based on the Legion's specific themes/style, so an Iron Hands contemptor might include energy weapons like the Conversion Beamer over more conventional heavy bolter/ autocannon options for example.

Legion Armour Mark Start Collecting Kits:

 

The idea for these sets would be to break down the bulk of Legion kits into armour marks given that plenty of folks like to theme their force around a singular mark and so there's instant kit-bashing potential between the kits inside each box.

 

 

As a throwback to a real relic of a mini, I've always thought the FW land speeder should have MkII-armoured pilots (especially considering almost every open Legion vehicle is crewed by MkIV marines), so I'm pretending any plastic kit would - plus there aren't any non-infantry MkII sets at the minute. 

 

 

I know folks have suggested that breachers should be a resin upgrade set rather than a whole multi-part kit, but I figure having each non-support squad Troops choice represented by its own plastic kit wouldn't be a bad idea, and might allow for a bit more embellishment/ individualisation (I liked some of the torso decoration on the original resin MkIII marines). Depending on sprue size, having all 4 weapon options on the Rapier frame might not be feasible, but heavy bolter/ laser destroyer options seem doable.

 

 

As both Destroyers and Recon squads can be taken at 5-man strength, I figured it made sense to include them both (also building 15-man MkIV tactical squads from modular Tactical & Recon kits is just a nice thought experiment) - given that the only non-weapon differences between jump-pack Destroyers and MkIV Assault marines are the heads & extra plating on the forearms & shins, there's probably a smart way you could have the Destroyers be a dual kit (maybe having the weapon hands attacked to half of the forearm?).

 

Solar Auxilia Start Collecting Kit:

 

 

Having this many infantry models in a single Start Collecting kit might seem a little unlikely, but if you went the monopose approach like the current Resin incarnations, you could probably pack them in (for a current analogue, look at the Ossiarch Mortek Guard kit, with 20 minis at £35). For the lasrifle section, there are only a couple of options for the sergeant, so 20 minis for a single kit seems reasonable, and the Veletaris could probably still be monopose with the option for either volkite or power axes in a single kit if the arms are broken down cleverly. Admittedly, having a Legate commander in each box might give you a hearty surplus if you wanted a reasonably sized army, so swapping it for a plastic Troop Master figure/ a set of 3 Medical Orderlies could be a more viable option for the box.

 

If the Solar Auxilia were lucky enough to get a second Start Collecting set, a box with a 10-person flamer section, 3 Charonite Ogryns and a SA Rapier platform would be neat to see as a "support box".

 

Mechanicum Start Collecting Kits:

 

Like the Legion armour mark kits, these could be bought together to build a singular, varied force, but given that there are 3 separate army lists for the Mechanicum, it made sense to split them into sets that could build a core force for each.

 

 

For the Legio Cybernetica, having the 'main' battle-automata types seemed to make sense, and in concert with the Magos Dominus would give you a HQ, Elites, Troops and Fast attack. The idea of plastic Castellax has haunted me since the release of the Ambot set which proves you can pack a pair of plastic versions onto a pretty small sprue, and a low mini count, big robit bundle is very gratifying for some reason. Also opens up the possiblity to render the Arlatax and Iron Circle as resin upgrade sets for the plastic Domitar rather than stock-clogging full kits.

 

 

For the Ordo Reductor,the Titan techpriest is a stand-in for a Magos Reductor, and again the Thallax and Myrmidon Secutors both provide a decent base for relaunching the Ursurax & Destructors as resin upgrade sets.

 

 

The Taghmata box basically fills the infantry gaps left by the boxes above - the Adsecularis could be monopose with simple mitralock/laslock options like the Veletarii above, and by having 2 Techpriest/Servo-automata frames included, you can mix and match the Servo-automata as Magos retinues/ kitbash a techpriest with the Archmagos to provide a second Magos.

 

 

For all of these I've avoided tanks, as the variant-central nature of the FW vehicle range means having a 'base' plastic kit for the major chassis (Deimos Rhino, Malcador, Sicaran, Spartan, Aurox, etc.) with a plethora of resin upgrades for the derivative vehicles seems like the most likely route for a plastic-centred 30k range.

 

Anyway, thanks for trawling through my musings

Edited by Iron Hands Fanatic, 14 July 2020 - 01:33 AM.

[Boytoy]

great ideas, i just wish they seemed more feasible. i think your armour mark boxsets are the most realistic, but i honestly would just expect a "legion start collecting" with 10 tacs, 5 termis the plastic contemptor and one of the calth hqs. id love for them to redo the mechanicum stuff or solar auxilia in plastic, but i can't see them moving out of resin. maybe they'll allow regular admech stuff to be used in the heresy as well, so that gives you two armies that can be run largely in plastic. i'm really hoping for plastic mkii and a plastic character for each legion, just like SW and TS got in prospero

[WrathOfTheLion]

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

[malika666]

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

[Astartes Consul]

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

 

The only way anything other than the most essential 'core' units go plastic is if FW moves entirely into plastic kits. To be honest I don't really expect even kits like Assault or Destroyers (which could easily be one, five man unit box that can make both) to  end up as plastic GW kits. At most, we might get some kind of 'mixed' armour MK later Heresy box?

 

 

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

 

Yeah, hard agree here. Tbh I'm expecting the Solar Aux range to be phased out and the Militia/Cults list to remain unsupported. 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I do just want to reiterate that this is my *ideal* view of what a core-plastic 30k range would look like, I'm not talking about how likely we are to ever see more plastic kits in the Heresy - this is all in a hypothetical scenario where the new factory provides FW with dedicated plastic manufacturing capability, and probably where they have more freedom to produce plastic space marine kits because 40k has transitioned fully to Primaris.

 

great ideas, i just wish they seemed more feasible. i think your armour mark boxsets are the most realistic, but i honestly would just expect a "legion start collecting" with 10 tacs, 5 termis the plastic contemptor and one of the calth hqs. id love for them to redo the mechanicum stuff or solar auxilia in plastic, but i can't see them moving out of resin. maybe they'll allow regular admech stuff to be used in the heresy as well, so that gives you two armies that can be run largely in plastic. i'm really hoping for plastic mkii and a plastic character for each legion, just like SW and TS got in prospero

 

I am very curious about how they plan to integrate Skitarii into the Heresy - we know in 30k they were effectively the dedicated army of the Fabricator-General, but the Secutarii are a separate, similar force so we could see some more widely-available units for them based off the 40k range.

 

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

 

Yeah, I was going off the size of the blood angels start collecting set, as the tac squad is about half the size of the Baal predator sprue, but it's apparent that sprue size isn't necessarily a determinant of pricing for GW stuff.

 

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

 

Yeah I wasn't suggesting they redo those kits, just that they'd be included in the hypothetical start collecting sets

 

 

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

 

The only way anything other than the most essential 'core' units go plastic is if FW moves entirely into plastic kits. To be honest I don't really expect even kits like Assault or Destroyers (which could easily be one, five man unit box that can make both) to  end up as plastic GW kits. At most, we might get some kind of 'mixed' armour MK later Heresy box?

 

 

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

 

Yeah, hard agree here. Tbh I'm expecting the Solar Aux range to be phased out and the Militia/Cults list to remain unsupported. 

 

 

To me, the Solar Auxilia & Mechanicum are super important to the Heresy 'cause they add much-needed variety to the range, I really believe that expanding support for them could bring more folks into the hobby, but I fear you're right. 

Edited by Iron Hands Fanatic, 14 July 2020 - 01:27 PM.

[Gederas]

I'd honestly LOVE for plastic Mark II marines. It'd make my life so much easier for my Dark Angels
 

great ideas, i just wish they seemed more feasible. i think your armour mark boxsets are the most realistic, but i honestly would just expect a "legion start collecting" with 10 tacs, 5 termis the plastic contemptor and one of the calth hqs. id love for them to redo the mechanicum stuff or solar auxilia in plastic, but i can't see them moving out of resin. maybe they'll allow regular admech stuff to be used in the heresy as well, so that gives you two armies that can be run largely in plastic. i'm really hoping for plastic mkii and a plastic character for each legion, just like SW and TS got in prospero

The Calth HQs are on the same sprue

 

However, speaking of Plastic Heresy there is something I need to bring up:

Ahriman and Geigor Fell-Hand are both single sprue Plastic Characters that were exclusive to the Burning of Prospero box, never were releases elsewhere. And, iirc, they both have rules for 30k roo.

Edited by Gederas, 14 July 2020 - 01:36 PM.

[sarabando]

Start collecting traitors - 10 mkIV marines 5 tarteros termies, the chaplain and dread

Vs
Start collecting loyalists - 10 mkIII marines 5 cataphractii termies the praetor and dread

This would be the bare minimum I'd like.to see from GW.

I love the idea of a plastic praetor kit with loads.of weapon options like the commander box.

[Pacific81]

As a few have said here, if very mainstream kits like Catachan aren't re-done I don't think very stylised kits of pre-heresy Imperial Army are very likely.

 

And now AoS is accelerating, 9th edition etc.. 

 

There is also an argument to be made that part of the fun of Pre-heresy is trying to cannibalise kits, hunt down components, do some scratch building etc. (although maybe that's just me and it definitely doesn't help with accessibility! ) 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I'd honestly LOVE for plastic Mark II marines. It'd make my life so much easier for my Dark Angels
 

great ideas, i just wish they seemed more feasible. i think your armour mark boxsets are the most realistic, but i honestly would just expect a "legion start collecting" with 10 tacs, 5 termis the plastic contemptor and one of the calth hqs. id love for them to redo the mechanicum stuff or solar auxilia in plastic, but i can't see them moving out of resin. maybe they'll allow regular admech stuff to be used in the heresy as well, so that gives you two armies that can be run largely in plastic. i'm really hoping for plastic mkii and a plastic character for each legion, just like SW and TS got in prospero

The Calth HQs are on the same sprue

 

However, speaking of Plastic Heresy there is something I need to bring up:

Ahriman and Geigor Fell-Hand are both single sprue Plastic Characters that were exclusive to the Burning of Prospero box, never were releases elsewhere. And, iirc, they both have rules for 30k roo.

 

Given how long MkII have been unavailable, having them in plastic would be the dream (preferably with umbra pattern bolters to help differentiate them/ so we have access to all 3 primary heresy types)

 

Start collecting traitors - 10 mkIV marines 5 tarteros termies, the chaplain and dread

Vs
Start collecting loyalists - 10 mkIII marines 5 cataphractii termies the praetor and dread

This would be the bare minimum I'd like.to see from GW.

I love the idea of a plastic praetor kit with loads.of weapon options like the commander box.

 

I'll admit a lot of my thoughts on this have been spurred on by how amazing (and high-value) the Titanicus Starter box is - it's pretty much half price compared to getting the contents separately, and is a mirror-match box which you can keep for yourself or split in the same way a 30k Legions starter set could be.

 

As a few have said here, if very mainstream kits like Catachan aren't re-done I don't think very stylised kits of pre-heresy Imperial Army are very likely.

 

And now AoS is accelerating, 9th edition etc.. 

 

There is also an argument to be made that part of the fun of Pre-heresy is trying to cannibalise kits, hunt down components, do some scratch building etc. (although maybe that's just me and it definitely doesn't help with accessibility! ) 

 

I mean, Specialist Games are separate from GW main even if they use the same manufacturing for plastic - the Heresy seems increasingly anomalous when you consider FW has 4 specialist games which are all based around a core range of plastic kits, although having a lead time for a new range is admittedly very different from trying to re-launch an existing resin range.

 

Yeah, my primary idea here was to suggest an approach that would make the Heresy more accessible/ varied (as someone who has a plastic-only Heresy army, having been lucky enough to nab both B@C & BoP).

[WrathOfTheLion]

A starter set and maybe a start collecting are critical pieces of support I think. It is odd to me that other specialist games have this, but HH does not.

Having the core range move to plastic is something I do think needs to happen. Destroyers, MK II, assault marines, deimos rhinos, etc. are all things that should be moved over in the near term, in my opinion.

These are easy wins for accessibility into the game.

Edited by WrathOfTheLion, 14 July 2020 - 04:45 PM.

[Astartes Consul]

 

 

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

 

The only way anything other than the most essential 'core' units go plastic is if FW moves entirely into plastic kits. To be honest I don't really expect even kits like Assault or Destroyers (which could easily be one, five man unit box that can make both) to  end up as plastic GW kits. At most, we might get some kind of 'mixed' armour MK later Heresy box?

 

 

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

 

Yeah, hard agree here. Tbh I'm expecting the Solar Aux range to be phased out and the Militia/Cults list to remain unsupported. 

 

 

To me, the Solar Auxilia & Mechanicum are super important to the Heresy 'cause they add much-needed variety to the range, I really believe that expanding support for them could bring more folks into the hobby, but I fear you're right. 

 

 

Absolutely agree, Mechanicum especially.

 

I think given how much larger the Mechanicum range is - with all the FW Knights as well - and the long planned revision to their list and specific Dark Mechanicum list that is allegedly in the works, I don't see them going anywhere.

 

Solar Aux however have already had their only Character Series model withdrawn, as well as extras like vehicle and artillery crew and now last week the Aurox (which is only a couple of years old). So yeah...

[malika666]

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

[MegaVolt87]

Modern Start collecting boxes have 2 HQ's these days don't they? So I think one set with PA chappie + termi Praetor, another with PA praetor + termi chappie would work. Mk IV + tartaros box with termi chappie in tartaros, Mk III + cataphractii with existing termi + chappie HQ's, re-designed contemptors of course in plastic, the current ones suck. 

[Pacific81]

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

 

I would love this so much.. feed back into the old Rogue Trader-era Imperial Guard units, think you could tie things up quite neatly and it would be a fantastic miniature range. 

[sarabando]

 

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

 

I would love this so much.. feed back into the old Rogue Trader-era Imperial Guard units, think you could tie things up quite neatly and it would be a fantastic miniature range. 

 

id go for the john blanche stlye from the collected visions because they could pull double duty as vostroyans XD

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

A starter set and maybe a start collecting are critical pieces of support I think. It is odd to me that other specialist games have this, but HH does not.

Having the core range move to plastic is something I do think needs to happen. Destroyers, MK II, assault marines, deimos rhinos, etc. are all things that should be moved over in the near term, in my opinion.

These are easy wins for accessibility into the game.

 

Given there are plenty of 30k analogues for 40k space marine units, I have wondered whether the FW studio will be allowed to produce plastic kits to replace their 40k equivalents as the non-Primaris range is inevitably retired, although I imagine the time-frame for said withdrawal is quite a bit in the future to avoid uproar

 

 

 

 

I don't think legion-specific start collecting boxes is feasible or makes sense. The core range is the first to move, things like destroyer squads, assault squads, etc. Those would be things that most players would possibly get. Those core units are also aging quite a bit, and I think make prime candidates to hopefully be updated soon.

For the legion-generic ones, I think there's a bit too much in them. The 40k ones are much smaller than most of those. I could see something like 10 MK III marines, 5 Cataphractii and a consul.

 

The only way anything other than the most essential 'core' units go plastic is if FW moves entirely into plastic kits. To be honest I don't really expect even kits like Assault or Destroyers (which could easily be one, five man unit box that can make both) to  end up as plastic GW kits. At most, we might get some kind of 'mixed' armour MK later Heresy box?

 

 

Hmm, I think we're just wishlisting here. If GW aren't willing to update their Imperial Guard infantry, I doubt they'll do a plastic version of the Imperial Army. As for more plastic Space Marines, they've got Mk3 and Mk4 covered, no need to redo those...especially considering that we see regular Space Marines kinda being replaced for Primaris.

 

Yeah, hard agree here. Tbh I'm expecting the Solar Aux range to be phased out and the Militia/Cults list to remain unsupported. 

 

 

To me, the Solar Auxilia & Mechanicum are super important to the Heresy 'cause they add much-needed variety to the range, I really believe that expanding support for them could bring more folks into the hobby, but I fear you're right. 

 

 

Absolutely agree, Mechanicum especially.

 

I think given how much larger the Mechanicum range is - with all the FW Knights as well - and the long planned revision to their list and specific Dark Mechanicum list that is allegedly in the works, I don't see them going anywhere.

 

Solar Aux however have already had their only Character Series model withdrawn, as well as extras like vehicle and artillery crew and now last week the Aurox (which is only a couple of years old). So yeah...

 

 

I think that's partly why the removal of Solar Auxilia feels so jarring, they were a pretty minimalist range to begin with, so eroding that further really sucks

 

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

 

I have to admit, from a design/ aesthetic perspective, I do prefer the decision FW has taken to keep rhinos & land raiders Legion-only to help differentiate them - plus, the Aurox is functionally equivalent to the Rhino whilst being very visually distinct *winces at the fact it's already been removed*. In that vein, I'd love to see an alt-Land Raider in the style of the Aurox, maybe on a new chassis as the Malcador is the only hull of appropriate size and that space is already kinda taken by the Dracosan.

 

Modern Start collecting boxes have 2 HQ's these days don't they? So I think one set with PA chappie + termi Praetor, another with PA praetor + termi chappie would work. Mk IV + tartaros box with termi chappie in tartaros, Mk III + cataphractii with existing termi + chappie HQ's, re-designed contemptors of course in plastic, the current ones suck. 

 

You could probably even fit a decently pose-able Contemptor onto the standard Dreadnought's sprue-size, and a replacement for the current plastic one would be an easy win.

 

 

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

 

I would love this so much.. feed back into the old Rogue Trader-era Imperial Guard units, think you could tie things up quite neatly and it would be a fantastic miniature range. 

 

 

I was pondering this recently on Twitter

 

https://twitter.com/...720080205148165

 

Re-designs of the classic imperial landspeeder, a version of the eddy/chuck dreads that the Imperial Army could take (maybe with an open front roll-cage like the Invictor warsuit?), there's so much to like....

 

 

 

Can we then please see some regular Imperial Army, including Imperial Army Rhinos, Land Raiders, and Land Speeders?

 

I would love this so much.. feed back into the old Rogue Trader-era Imperial Guard units, think you could tie things up quite neatly and it would be a fantastic miniature range. 

 

id go for the john blanche stlye from the collected visions because they could pull double duty as vostroyans XD

 

 

This is why I think plastic Solar Auxilia would be popular with 40k players too, the Necromunda kits have certainly gone down well with guard players

[Sete]

Everything in plastic!!!!!

[battle captain corpus]

Its wish listing but just never going to happen i think. Personally (and I know quite a few hobbyists who share this point) I don't really care if it plastic or resin, just as long as its supported within the Horus Heresy and is available etc.

 

Genuinely we may need to come to terms with the fact that plastic mk3 and 4 are all we will probably ever get. They were flukes that sold and stayed. FW now just top us up with cool stuff and plug and play parts for those two kits.

 

BCC

[MegaVolt87]

My dream 40k tac squad re-design would be one complete suit each of mk II to mk VI, the rest mk VII, x3 each of phobos/mars, tigris, godwyin pattern bolters, HB, ML, assault weapons the modern ones, old school combi bolters + pistols, modern sergeant melee styled weapons. Such a box would have a lot of utility for 30k and 40k, huge combination potential.

[Corswain]

Plastic jetbikes. I would be so happy.

 

Still living in hopes of a 3rd Heresy board game with MKII but I think that that is destined to always be my plastic thunderhawk.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Its wish listing but just never going to happen i think. Personally (and I know quite a few hobbyists who share this point) I don't really care if it plastic or resin, just as long as its supported within the Horus Heresy and is available etc.

 

Genuinely we may need to come to terms with the fact that plastic mk3 and 4 are all we will probably ever get. They were flukes that sold and stayed. FW now just top us up with cool stuff and plug and play parts for those two kits.

 

BCC

 

I'm just saddened that the Heresy is so inaccessible for so many folks, especially in contrast to how well specialist games has approached stuff like Titanicus/ Aeroanutica from a beginner's perspective, with easy ways to get into the hobby and a common-sense approach to what should feasibly be plastic and what can be made in resisn.

 

My dream 40k tac squad re-design would be one complete suit each of mk II to mk VI, the rest mk VII, x3 each of phobos/mars, tigris, godwyin pattern bolters, HB, ML, assault weapons the modern ones, old school combi bolters + pistols, modern sergeant melee styled weapons. Such a box would have a lot of utility for 30k and 40k, huge combination potential.

 

Yeah this sorta idea is why I liked the idea of Legion-specific veteran squads, as similar kits (sternguard, DA vets, GreyHunters etc.) are so useful for either building really ornate units or sprinkling parts across a force.

 

Plastic jetbikes. I would be so happy.

 

Still living in hopes of a 3rd Heresy board game with MKII but I think that that is destined to always be my plastic thunderhawk.

 

Having two plastic 30k boxes in relatively quick succession and then *nothing* since is part of what feels so jarring with 30k - it felt really like they were setting up for something that just never materialised.

[Pacific81]

Hmm.. do mods just delete posts on here if they're not straight-down-the-centre serious about little plastic miniatures?

 

either that or I forget to click the post button!

 

 

Its wish listing but just never going to happen i think. Personally (and I know quite a few hobbyists who share this point) I don't really care if it plastic or resin, just as long as its supported within the Horus Heresy and is available etc.

 

Genuinely we may need to come to terms with the fact that plastic mk3 and 4 are all we will probably ever get. They were flukes that sold and stayed. FW now just top us up with cool stuff and plug and play parts for those two kits.

 

BCC

 

I'm just saddened that the Heresy is so inaccessible for so many folks, especially in contrast to how well specialist games has approached stuff like Titanicus/ Aeroanutica from a beginner's perspective, with easy ways to get into the hobby and a common-sense approach to what should feasibly be plastic and what can be made in resisn.

 

 

I think ultimately it comes down to the price, and for that I think you are right you do need to have a substantial range in plastic rather than resin. Wargaming and miniature painting is a pretty important hobby for me, but I simply wouldn't be willing to pay so much for a 30k army, no matter how lovely the miniatures. 

 

This is why I collect in 6-8mm scale, it lets you enjoy the setting and imagery without completely blocking out any money you might spend on other hobbies. 

 

I have a friend who feel the same way, and whose collection extends to a squad or two. Absolutely in love with the BL books and heresy series, but could just never justify the cost. 

[Corswain]

Heresy never seemed like such an expensive option to me (compared to 40k and AoS) until I had to start paying in AUD.... Even if GW/FW did bundles of the Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero boxes, minus the board game, content it would go a long way to making the Heresy more accessible for beginers. That's why most people boughtthe boxes in the first place, right!?

 

Then, for me, Iron Hands Fanatic's hypothetical Start Collecting boxes become an exceptional way to expand. A couple of different boxes broadly tailored to different play styles to fit with different Legion tactics would start giving some flavour to the army before you go buying any resin to make those final touches.

 

A man can dream....

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Hmm.. do mods just delete posts on here if they're not straight-down-the-centre serious about little plastic miniatures?

 

either that or I forget to click the post button!

 

 

Its wish listing but just never going to happen i think. Personally (and I know quite a few hobbyists who share this point) I don't really care if it plastic or resin, just as long as its supported within the Horus Heresy and is available etc.

 

Genuinely we may need to come to terms with the fact that plastic mk3 and 4 are all we will probably ever get. They were flukes that sold and stayed. FW now just top us up with cool stuff and plug and play parts for those two kits.

 

BCC

 

I'm just saddened that the Heresy is so inaccessible for so many folks, especially in contrast to how well specialist games has approached stuff like Titanicus/ Aeroanutica from a beginner's perspective, with easy ways to get into the hobby and a common-sense approach to what should feasibly be plastic and what can be made in resisn.

 

 

I think ultimately it comes down to the price, and for that I think you are right you do need to have a substantial range in plastic rather than resin. Wargaming and miniature painting is a pretty important hobby for me, but I simply wouldn't be willing to pay so much for a 30k army, no matter how lovely the miniatures. 

 

This is why I collect in 6-8mm scale, it lets you enjoy the setting and imagery without completely blocking out any money you might spend on other hobbies. 

 

I have a friend who feel the same way, and whose collection extends to a squad or two. Absolutely in love with the BL books and heresy series, but could just never justify the cost. 

 

Oh, 100% - I could never afford to buy Resin stuff and even then, I tend to only buy plastic stuff when it's bundled at a discount, so I'm lucky that I managed to nab a copy of Betrayal at Calth & Burning of Prospero or I'd have no 30k collection at all. I recently grabbed the Titanicus starter set and I'm just awed at it's value, 30k really needs something along those lines

 

Heresy never seemed like such an expensive option to me (compared to 40k and AoS) until I had to start paying in AUD.... Even if GW/FW did bundles of the Betrayal at Calth and Burning of Prospero boxes, minus the board game, content it would go a long way to making the Heresy more accessible for beginers. That's why most people boughtthe boxes in the first place, right!?

 

Then, for me, Iron Hands Fanatic's hypothetical Start Collecting boxes become an exceptional way to expand. A couple of different boxes broadly tailored to different play styles to fit with different Legion tactics would start giving some flavour to the army before you go buying any resin to make those final touches.

 

A man can dream....

 

 

That's the thing, FW could only provide minimal core kits in plastic and it would drastically restructure the range given how many units share base kits, as it'd allow them to move a ton of stuff to simple resin upgrade packs - 'plastic heresy' can easily come across as meaning stuff like acastus knights and fellblades, but really just a handful of infantry and smaller vehicles would make a huge difference.