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Plastic Heresy Spitballing - [BASELESS SPECULATION]


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The problem with grand plans is they dont fit that "5 man" sprue layout that specialist games tend to stick to (Usually boxed with 2 as a 10 man squad/team/gang) like an assault squad you can possibly squeeze on but jump packs unfortunately still take a load of sprue space. Id rather aim for a full tactical squad set of options so Bolter, Bolt pistol, Chainswords for all which you can flex to different kits and easily pop the remains of the resin upgrades range on to make Breachers and other support squads until maybe a few quarters/years down the line when you could do say a breacher sprue which could include its own bodies etc or just be packaged with the original sprue 1:1 to make a 5 man squad (But preferably available separately like the AT knights one was).

But yeah, overall look at Specialist games rather than the flagship 40k range for what is possible.

 



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The problem with grand plans is they dont fit that "5 man" sprue layout that specialist games tend to stick to (Usually boxed with 2 as a 10 man squad/team/gang) like an assault squad you can possibly squeeze on but jump packs unfortunately still take a load of sprue space. Id rather aim for a full tactical squad set of options so Bolter, Bolt pistol, Chainswords for all which you can flex to different kits and easily pop the remains of the resin upgrades range on to make Breachers and other support squads until maybe a few quarters/years down the line when you could do say a breacher sprue which could include its own bodies etc or just be packaged with the original sprue 1:1 to make a 5 man squad (But preferably available separately like the AT knights one was).

But yeah, overall look at Specialist games rather than the flagship 40k range for what is possible.

 

 

True for Necromunda/ Blood Bowl, but Titanicus has a whole range of sprue sizes in its range


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For the titans yeah, i suspect they squeeze those in due to popularity and put out the knights as a more regular SG release. Good point on them being a possibility though! Would be awesome for things like a Rhino or Sicarian to base stuff off.



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For the titans yeah, i suspect they squeeze those in due to popularity and put out the knights as a more regular SG release. Good point on them being a possibility though! Would be awesome for things like a Rhino or Sicarian to base stuff off.

 

Yeah, it's almost a shame that the Sicaran variants all have completely different turret designs, as it makes it less likely that a hypothetical plastic version could serve multiple variants - but for just the base Battle Tank, the Sicaran could almost certainly fit on fewer sprues than the Land Raider, especially when you consider how much they can fit on a frame now compared to when that kit was released.


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Well...how about all the marine kits, but slightly bigger, with better proportions?

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Well...how about all the marine kits, but slightly bigger, with better proportions?

They have already a lot of plastic/resin kits with the old proportions so i dont see FW/GW altering that
I would like upscaled firstborns like they did with CSM but it's unlikely to happen

I hope they will make new plastic kits for existing basic resin units but i don't think it will happen too

Edited by Master Sheol, 01 August 2020 - 10:25 AM.

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I think they have started upscaling them. The DA Interemptors match the new CSM scale, when I compare them to mk iii plastic and a new CSM model.

Edited by WrathOfTheLion, 01 August 2020 - 12:04 PM.

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Yep, they switched to the slightly taller csm/deathwatch/space marine heroes scale a while ago. Think i first noticed it on the Praevian and Vigilator models when they were released, about a year and a half ago.

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Yep, they switched to the slightly taller csm/deathwatch/space marine heroes scale a while ago. Think i first noticed it on the Praevian and Vigilator models when they were released, about a year and a half ago.

The New CSM are taller than the DW and PA heroes and just slightly smaller than the primaris
They are the right scale the firstborn should be
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The New CSM are taller than the DW and PA heroes and just slightly smaller than the primaris
They are the right scale the firstborn should be

 

The newer sculpts are starting to match that size. They might be nominally shorter, perhaps 1mm, but not much. They are, however, noticeably taller than a MK III plastic kit.

I think it's pretty certain that any future classic marine sculpts, HH, CSM, etc. will be in the same scale as the new CSM range.

 

Edit: Took a calipers to get some measurements - MK III marine is about 35.5 mm tall, a CSM from shadowspear is about 38 mm tall and a Dreadwing Interemptor is about 37 mm tall, although some of this may be his pose as he leans forward instead of standing upright.

 

Here is an image of them. Did some alterations on the post as I did more investigation.

 

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Did some edits to the post above as I did some measurements, etc. In my measurements, it seems like the CSM are about 10% taller than the existing marines. The newer sculpts from FW are just shy of that, but 37mm looks much closer to 38mm than to 34-36mm of the older SM sculpts.



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Assuming Mark 2 will be rereleased, we deduce the following; it will be done in CAD design (with all the pros and cons of that). Which means it can be scaled up, and scaled down digitally, rather quickly. No doubt, they will play around with prototypes before they start making any steel moulds for the plastics.

I just hope that they decide to kill two birds with one stone, and make them assault marines (with the jump packs separate, on their own sprue alongside chainswords 1 specialist weapon) and the main sprue to have arms for bolters. Unlikely, but... It's what I would do. 
 


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Yep, they switched to the slightly taller csm/deathwatch/space marine heroes scale a while ago. Think i first noticed it on the Praevian and Vigilator models when they were released, about a year and a half ago.

The New CSM are taller than the DW and PA heroes and just slightly smaller than the primaris

 

 

You have any size comparison pictures that show this?



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I do wonder if there's a plastic Deimos in the works for CSM and Heresy: after all they showed that SoB Deimos immolator and exorcist
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Yep, they switched to the slightly taller csm/deathwatch/space marine heroes scale a while ago. Think i first noticed it on the Praevian and Vigilator models when they were released, about a year and a half ago.

The New CSM are taller than the DW and PA heroes and just slightly smaller than the primaris
 
You have any size comparison pictures that show this?

I will try to take a photo of a firstborn next to a DW veteran, a SM heroes, a CSM and a primaris
Having DA, DW and IW helps a lot msn-wink.gif

 

Here

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From left to right: firstborn tactical, DW black shield, SM heroes tactical, Shadowspear CSM, Primaris hellblaster


Edited by Master Sheol, 05 August 2020 - 07:24 PM.

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Looks near enough to me to between Brother Castor and the CSM, i think we can safely say they are the same scale ;)

 

The Deathwatch looks smaller, but i think you have a normal marine chestplate on him rather than a deathwatch one, he would be slightly taller a deathwatch chesplate from the kill team kit, no?


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Looks near enough to me to between Brother Castor and the CSM, i think we can safely say they are the same scale ;)

The Deathwatch looks smaller, but i think you have a normal marine chestplate on him rather than a deathwatch one, he would be slightly taller a deathwatch chesplate from the kill team kit, no?

The CSM is 1-1.5 mm taller than SM heroes, the DW black shield has normal sergeant front torso but back torso is DW (DW are taller on legs but the torso is the same size of other firstborn torso)
The DW looks smaller than SM heroes cause is not wearing the helmet. DW has smaller bare heads (old heads were too big to fit inside a SM helmet while DW ones look like they could fit) and when you put an helmet on them they are tall like the SM heroes
In addition SM heroes stand on taller scenic bases

Edited by Master Sheol, 06 August 2020 - 08:00 PM.

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I think the most important thing here is that more recent sculpts from FW are approaching the CSM height, and visually look similar. Even the MK III plastic kit is sort of a prototype for how they handle Primaris right now, with the legs split to multiple pieces, etc. But, regardless of plastic, we can conclude that the miniatures for AoD moving forward will have an increased scale to be more correct.



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I think the most important thing here is that more recent sculpts from FW are approaching the CSM height, and visually look similar. Even the MK III plastic kit is sort of a prototype for how they handle Primaris right now, with the legs split to multiple pieces, etc. But, regardless of plastic, we can conclude that the miniatures for AoD moving forward will have an increased scale to be more correct.

Yes but the problem is that the plastic miniatures (mk3/4, cataphractii, Tartaros) are on the small scale of the good old firstborn and 90% of the resin miniatures too, including a lot of characters too
To redesing all those kits it's a huge task and i don't Know if FW will Be able to manage it
So new kits are upscaled an look better compared to new CSM but i dont think we Will see new redone kits for the units FW already made in smaller scale

Edited by Master Sheol, 07 August 2020 - 03:50 AM.

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Yes, I do not see them redesiging the mk iii, mk iv or terminator kits.

I think they will redo some of the oldest ones however (MK IV assault, etc.) and take those to plastic.




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