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Imperial Heralds Primaris Chapter


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Nooope...... I'm sayin' that when your genetic code is derived from a psychopathic demi-god there might be some slippagewacko.png

Curze was a psychopath because of his upbringing (or lack thereof), not because of any genetics.
 


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I find the subject of nature v nurture and the genetic factors in psychopathy infinitely fascinating, however this is starting to overshadow the topic at hand, the Imperial Heralds (place holder name) Primaris chapter.

 

At this point, I'd really like to see how JimVandy85 wants to proceed and what his game plan is.


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Nooope...... I'm sayin' that when your genetic code is derived from a psychopathic demi-god there might be some slippagewacko.png

 

I tend to agree.

 

While I haven't read the novels with the Haunter in them, my only caveat would be that I always had the impression was that he wasn't just a (almost ordinary) psychopath, more that he was generally unhinged, that there was more going on. Psychosis, hallucination, bi-polar mood swings from both being too attached and being completely detached from other beings, and reality.

 

I'd simply say that there was more wiggle room in terms of how you interpret what they inherit, genetically speaking.

 

That said, their origins weren't exactly stellar so you're really planting a huge rock in the road of your work and forcing yourself to write around/over it because you believe it will be a good foundation. That's not necessarily the case, and it won't necessarily make them any better for it either. This isn't a knock against the idea as a whole, nor is it a jab at your ability to write, it's just an observation having seen plenty of 'loyal traitors' come through the Liber over the last... too long.

 

That said, I tend to agree. His genetic material that his sons will inherit traits from is likely extremely compromised in terms of behavioral influences and it'd be a fairly limited selection of genetic influences.


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If the Night Lords gene-seed do make it’s bearers into psychopaths and/or sadists (not all NL seems to have that problem, even if many do) so would I say that that create a possibility for something tragic hero storytelling, similar to the Blood Angels, with the Chapters members constantly having to fight to not give in to their darker impulses and having to hunt down those among them that has fallen.



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If the Night Lords gene-seed do make it’s bearers into psychopaths and/or sadists (not all NL seems to have that problem, even if many do) so would I say that that create a possibility for something tragic hero storytelling, similar to the Blood Angels, with the Chapters members constantly having to fight to not give in to their darker impulses and having to hunt down those among them that has fallen.

It's less the gene-seed and more the recruits.

 

A better example is the Emperor's Spears: They're Ultramarines successors, but they don't act like Ultramarines AT ALL. However, they do have some... quirks that are subtly XIII derived. They have a very monomaniacal adherence to their culture's traits and customs. In the novel Spear of the Emperor, Brêac the Warhost Lord of the 3rd Warhost (3rd Comany) does a ritualistic greeting to a Mentor marine and his helots. When one Helot doesn't give their name, Brêac flat-out stops what he's doing and freezes until the Helot says their name to continue the greeting.

 

There's also their codes of conduct that forbid them from becoming too filthy, as they are forced to maintain their armour as well as they can, to respect its Machine Spirit and to intimidate the enemy, rather than looking battered and therefore weak. Which is very much something the Ultramarines do.

 

 

Essentially: Geneseed has some personality quirks, but it's not "All Night Lords are psychotic". In the context of the Imperial Heralds geneseed, it'd be "they're very much believers in their leader" or "they have a need to be a part of something greater than themselves"


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If the Night Lords gene-seed do make it’s bearers into psychopaths and/or sadists (not all NL seems to have that problem, even if many do) so would I say that that create a possibility for something tragic hero storytelling, similar to the Blood Angels, with the Chapters members constantly having to fight to not give in to their darker impulses and having to hunt down those among them that has fallen.

It's less the gene-seed and more the recruits.

 

A better example is the Emperor's Spears: They're Ultramarines successors, but they don't act like Ultramarines AT ALL. However, they do have some... quirks that are subtly XIII derived. They have a very monomaniacal adherence to their culture's traits and customs. In the novel Spear of the Emperor, Brêac the Warhost Lord of the 3rd Warhost (3rd Comany) does a ritualistic greeting to a Mentor marine and his helots. When one Helot doesn't give their name, Brêac flat-out stops what he's doing and freezes until the Helot says their name to continue the greeting.

 

There's also their codes of conduct that forbid them from becoming too filthy, as they are forced to maintain their armour as well as they can, to respect its Machine Spirit and to intimidate the enemy, rather than looking battered and therefore weak. Which is very much something the Ultramarines do.

 

 

Essentially: Geneseed has some personality quirks, but it's not "All Night Lords are psychotic". In the context of the Imperial Heralds geneseed, it'd be "they're very much believers in their leader" or "they have a need to be a part of something greater than themselves"

 

 

First of: regarding the Spears being Ultramarine successors, you missed the point where the Emperor's Spears' officers were given lots of administrative work and was prepared for it with no complains. I really like that moment :)

 

Second: I did not say that the NL gene-seed made them psychotic, just that if it did so would it open for storytelling opportunities similar of the tragic hero/heroic monster kind. Now it's open to who ever makes a NL successor to decide such things.






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