Ragnar69 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Transhuman is primaris only. That's a huge nerf for firstborn, especially Wulfen, TWC and terminators Dark Shepherd and Fang_Guard23 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 The exclusion list pic says SW OR THEIR SUCCESSORS cannot take these units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 It is probably worded so that you can create a custom wolves chapter Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Thats what my tail is wagging about  Ironpriests are looking very sexy too Chapter Master Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf with TH could be insane  Similarly Chief Wolf Priest on bike not amazing in cc but nesr unkillable Karhedron and Fang_Guard23 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Similarly Chief Wolf Priest on bike not amazing in cc but nesr unkillable And 2 litanies, which are inspiring on a 2+ with an 20" delivery mechanism looks tastier than an Imperial Lander full of pedigree chum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 There are some nerfs but Honestly was that a surprise? Like any new release we will have to suss out what works for us with the new tools we are given. Â I'm excited for the access to new units we've been given, though I think I might hold off on purchasing them until the supplement drops just as a wait and see, Russ knows my plastic pile is big enough lol. Â Definitely excited for the Chaplain on bike. Looks sweet, and I think it'll perform awesome, it was the only model I pre-ordered with my FLGS. Valerian and Fang_Guard23 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited)  Similarly Chief Wolf Priest on bike not amazing in cc but nesr unkillableAnd 2 litanies, which are inspiring on a 2+ with an 20" delivery mechanism looks tastier than an Imperial Lander full of pedigree chum! Yeah that might see some play :) All generic dreads get inbuilt reduce damage by 1 to a minimum of 1...so that IronPriest/Dread squad is looking extra killer  Assuming you can still pay for an extra warlord trait and upgrade more than one character Edited October 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Plus we now get access to ironclads to add in a cheap, tough, screen dread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Contemptors down to 9 wounds too which is another dread buff  Redemptors looking good now metaphorically if not literally Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Plus we now get access to ironclads to add in a cheap, tough, screen dread. Will they be tougher than an axe/shield dread though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Â Plus we now get access to ironclads to add in a cheap, tough, screen dread.Will they be tougher than an axe/shield dread though? Our ven dreads are going to be arguably OP 4++ 6+++ reduce damage by 1 pop smoke strat Techmarine buddy system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Yea I’m not shocked or bothered by the rebalance. I’m also interested in what we get and don’t get, wait to buy anything brothers though. That dude who bought 3 stormravens and centurions or whatever than complained wasn’t a good look ;) Triszin and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Character warfare back on the menu for us  For 4 cp total in a 2k game we get to take 3 relics and 3 warlord traits  Unique warlord trait: plus one attack, plus one to hit, plus one to wound against vehicles and monsters Edited October 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) I would wait to buy anything, but I think the list at the beginning will be the only units disallowed. I would think this would be addressed in an FAQ, whether or not further exclusions would exist in the Codex supplement. I do not think they would do this, as they are going to want you to know straight up from the Codex what units can or cannot be taken. Doing that would be especially bad for a new hobbyist or someone starting one of those chapters, who could start building a force to find out later that models allowed in this publication aren't allowed further on. I think that would rightly anger anyone if that happened to them, so it's in everyone's best interest to just locate the list in the main Codex. Â We should see the first supplement come out soon enough though. Waiting a month or so to hold off buying centurions and all shouldn't be too much caution. After seeing the first book if it's not Space Wolves, we should have much better information as to how all this is going to work in the end. Edited October 3, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) A big change flying under the radar is marines now dont auto reroll failed morale tests, they just ignore combat attrition modifiers  Makes me worry about Wulfen between this and changes to stormshields and thunder hammers. And no longer getting Transhuman Physiology Edited October 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUnlikelyGamer84 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 *Hey all long time lurker finally a member* All these changes have me worried about our Wulfen. Hopefully they get at least another wound. Although I’ve been leaning on blade guard a lot recently as well and they are looking great especially being able to take up to 6 in a unit now. The primaris captains now have even more options. So I plan on changing out the sword for other weapons on the indomitus captain in the event I take one instead of Ragnar. According to the Guerilla games review. The saga of the beast slayer warlord trait changed in this codex also. It gives +1 attack and +1 to wound. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Skilled riders is now 1cp for minus one to hit  Looks like we get Wolf Lords on bikes back too Edited October 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 If Wulfen and TWC don't get core and an additional wound they are not viable anymore. Losing 3++ and transhuman makes them very vulnerable. Let's see what the supplement brings. I'm reading for our deeds of legend though. That beastslayer warlord trait doesn't inspire confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 With the nerf to aggressors, are they even worth taking now? I think the flamer variant is good for us assuming we keep our outflank stratagem. The extra range gives them impact the turn they arrive and we benefit more from the fists than any other chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I think I saw that there may be a buff to gravis with d1 weapons too. That would make the flame gauntlet aggressors a pretty good outflank harasser.  As for the wulfen stuff, I’d never used trans human on them anyways and I always had trouble effectively keeping a buffing unit with them so if they don’t have core I don’t really care. They still are a premier killing unit and there’s so much psychological baggage They’ll still be a great distraction carnifex unit.  I do hope Twolves get core and as WG I think there’s a good chance. The lightning claw buff (if it extends to wolf claws n the supplement) does them wonders I think. I ran some in my last game and with the extra CP They hit real hard with the WG, Charge, and death grip bite strats. Triszin and WrathOfTheLion 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just build some normal wolf guard with twin lightning claws on most of them just for the fun a bit ago. Now they might end up useful! PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just build some normal wolf guard with twin lightning claws on most of them just for the fun a bit ago. Now they might end up useful! Every WG extra attack is gold now for us between savage fury and vicious executioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 So many units did get core Id be surprised if Wulfen and TWC didnt get them, practically all infantry, biker, and dread units got it  Theres no deed of legend for the warlord trait, hope they all go that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 stormraven will need to be faq'd, but we need to wait until the supp drops for confimration  transport on the stormraven Karhedron and TiguriusX 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar69 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Why FAQed? I don't See anything wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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