Karhedron Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Blood Claws are physically mature as all their implants (including the Black Carapace) are in and working so they should get the 2W. It is only their tempers that need cooling. I am really liking the look of my stalwart Grey Hunters, 2 wounds and 2 attacks at AP-1 thanks to the buffed Astartes chainswords makes them pretty good for a Troop unit. Almost makes me sad I converted up those Intercessors with Thunder Hammers. What's that you say? Veteran Intercessors are now a unit entry in their own right? Funtimes roll! ranulf the revenant and PeteySödes 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Blood Claws are physically mature as all their implants (including the Black Carapace) are in and working so they should get the 2W. It is only their tempers that need cooling. I am really liking the look of my stalwart Grey Hunters, 2 wounds and 2 attacks at AP-1 thanks to the buffed Astartes chainswords makes them pretty good for a Troop unit. Almost makes me sad I converted up those Intercessors with Thunder Hammers. What's that you say? Veteran Intercessors are now a unit entry in their own right? Funtimes roll! True but it really depends on how GW wants to frame it. Scouts are Neophytes as are Blood Claws. If they are going to say all Neophyte Space Marines have 1 wound that will be blood claws for wolves and scouts for others. They could also argue that because Blood Claws are further in the gene implant process than most scouts (who are getting their implants along with training) then they might say its 2 wounds. The trick is we dont have much precedent to look at for how they would handle this. Historically though (back in 5th) they were power armored scouts. They had the same WS and BS as scouts and they increased the weapon skill of blood claws when they raised the scout WS and BS, only leaving the BS down due to their bloodthirsty single-mindedness. So I would say GW has historically viewed Blood Claws as a Scout tier unit and would not be surprised if they continue to do so. Edit cuz powerfist thumbs are hard to type with Edited August 14, 2020 by Rune Priest Jbickb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 But if they treat Blood Claws like scouts, will they finally treat our Wolf Scouts like the elite SpecOps unit they’re supposed to be? ranulf the revenant 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) Blood claws use power armor. They are able to wear armor because they have the black carapace (*sisters of battle exception noted but is different). The black carapace is the final modification to create a marine. Blood claws combat skills are unproven but they have all the full collection of physical augmentations a marine ever gets. Vanilla marine scouts do NOT have the black carapace. The fluff expressly mentions it is the final step and marks their transition to full marine status. Most scouts are in progress of implanting but deemed qualified to see action while upgrading. All that being said...GW doesn't care about our fluff beliefs so who knows Edited August 14, 2020 by TiguriusX KiltedMarine and Bulwyf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 I mean honestly, if they gave Wolf Scouts 2W, Ld9, WS2+, and access to the same armory of ranged and close combat weapons that the Wolf Guard get, along with a “disrupt enemy supply lines” rule and a cool “forward positioning” or improved “Behind Enemy Lines” rule, I wouldn’t mind if they gave Blood Claws the vanilla scout treatment. TiguriusX, Kallas and Cpt.Danjou 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 If we get that wolf scout buff let me be the first to welcome you all to the Wolftime brothers... Jarl Kjaran Coldheart, Cpt.Danjou, GrFlur and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 So now the question is.... Do I open up my legion case and use my grey slayers as grey huntersOr do I play my primaris as just properly scaled grey hunters and blood claws. I guess at the end of the day its the best of both worlds for folks who have pretty large collections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 So for someone who can get an image off the GW app ( i fail at embedding images from mobile) ... uh TWC teeth and claws is now S6 ap-2 damage D3 Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 So for someone who can get an image off the GW app ( i fail at embedding images from mobile) ... uh TWC teeth and claws is now S6 ap-2 damage D3 Thats insane and wonderful if not a mistake heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 ack sorry ap-1 i typo'd! but still D3 damage!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 ack sorry ap-1 i typo'd! but still D3 damage!! S6 though? Arentius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 ack sorry ap-1 i typo'd! but still D3 damage!! S6 though? yup according to the app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Can confirm S6, ap-1, d3 You may make 3 additional attacks using this profile Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 That feels like a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Odd for sure. If it's not a mistake, would make t wolves worth it. As the mount clears chaff, as the rider clears priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Some have pointed out that it might be using the krak grenade stats by mistake. I think that's more plausible than an intentional upgrade like that. Personally, I want them to increase the overall number of attacks, not the quality of each attack. Give TWC 6 D1 attacks (boostable to D2 via strategem), and now they are a real MEQ menace. SW already have enough TEQ answers, we need more MEQ solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Went poking around the appThis is a thing XD ... WULFAN ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arentius Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Aww Mike Brandt just said it was a mistake and has been reported to the next data push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Aww Mike Brandt just said it was a mistake and has been reported to the next data push I will never forgive you for getting my hopes up. Arentius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 Anyone thinking of trying old deathstars? LRC, BC pack, WP, WGPL? Wulfen, Stormwolf, 8 of the buggers, or 7 plus a PA model or two? 7 Wulfen, WP, WGBL or maybe a RP to escort them in with portal cover save power might work now. Same for the LRC, the SWolf or LRC debate has been pretty heavy, now that Stormwolves are better, they can press further afield while one or maybe two LRC's provide the mid table thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Don’t if it’s leaked here on the BnC yet, but I saw a new Impulsor datasheet today, and each of their upgrade weapon options for small buffs, as well. Maybe this link to the Rdddit post will work https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/i9unk5/new_minor_buff_to_impulsors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Please adjust and copy over the relevant info, if links to Reddit aren’t allowed - I don’t remember the rules on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted August 14, 2020 Author Share Posted August 14, 2020 Is the Shield Dome a 5++ or 4++? Or is that not leaked yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 No leak on it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Don’t if it’s leaked here on the BnC yet, but I saw a new Impulsor datasheet today, and each of their upgrade weapon options for small buffs, as well. Maybe this link to the Rdddit post will work https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/i9unk5/new_minor_buff_to_impulsors/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Please adjust and copy over the relevant info, if links to Reddit aren’t allowed - I don’t remember the rules on that. Stubbers up to 4 shots each. Guess Cawl was on to something after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I feel like I definitely need at least one Impulsor now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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