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40k deserves a backseat, it it's going to have anything I'd like to see beyond the necron/ marine release to keep the ravening hordes happy...
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My guess for 40K is the just new Heavy intercessors and Captain

Maybe the multi parts for the assault intercessors and other bits from Indomitus That need multi part kits

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I might actually watch this as I'll be preparing to go out of state and pick up my son...
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I think the only 40k stuff will be related to whatever product contains the ETB Invader and Turret.


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My guess for 40K is the just new Heavy intercessors and Captain

Maybe the multi parts for the assault intercessors and other bits from Indomitus That need multi part kits

What's the good word on these Heavy Intercessors?


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It'll never happen. But I'd love a xenos version of 30k.

Back when the Eldar and old ones were fighting the pre necron necrons and their forces, with prime orks and zoats and all kinds of small faction armies being introduced...



It'll never happen obviously. But would be epic.
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My guess for 40K is the just new Heavy intercessors and Captain

Maybe the multi parts for the assault intercessors and other bits from Indomitus That need multi part kits

What's the good word on these Heavy Intercessors?

They were revealed as a datasheet entry in the pic of the contents page of the new marine codex. Think theres a blurry pic of a unit that looks like a Gravis type with a bolt weapon

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What's the good word on these Heavy Intercessors?

They were revealed as a datasheet entry in the pic of the contents page of the new marine codex. Think theres a blurry pic of a unit that looks like a Gravis type with a bolt weapon

 

I think the majority opinion is that they'll end up being a multi-build option for the Eradicators (which might mean the Eradicators don't get a second main weapon option). Also, the Heavy Intercessors will probably be armed with a standard version of the same Heavy Bolt Rifle that the new "Captain with Master-Crafted Heavy Bolt Rifle" carries.


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The Heresy reveals will probably be two more photo angles of the Word Bearer Praetors. That's it. *Maybe* something else on top of that. Necromunda though, based off the House of chains, and now house of blades - we will now see house of locks and rocks. Possibly continuing the pattern of expanding on the original gang releases, Orlock was the third gang to release, if I recall - so we'll see more goodies for them.

I'm hoping Underworlds give us Lizardmen, please. A saurus, and a fine Kroxigor too!

Nay, maybe a plastic slann...


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Obviously I do not expect it, we will be stuck with Faith and Fury until 6 months before 10th edition lmao.

I would pay top dollar for new catachans tho.

 

I feel like GW would be missing a trick if they didn't at least provide supplements for Black Templars and other subfactions of interest via White Dwarf or something. For my money, and assuming here that they're putting all the First Founding chapter-specific stuff from the latest supplements into the main codex this time around, it makes sense to provide this sort of thing for Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Emperor's Spears (maybe update the collector's edition bonus supplement?), Scythes of the Emperor, et cetera - i.e. any of the chapters which have some distinctiveness worth representing mechanically and/or have a decent presence in the fiction that could justify relics and whatnot.

 

As for new Catachans, just imagining what modern plastic miniatures technology could do with that design is exciting, though I still have hope for a more modular approach to any new Astra Militarum figures along the lines of what Victoria Miniatures does - torsos, heads, legs, and arms which can be combined in different ways to represent different uniforms. For instance, both Cadians and Mordians could use the same trousers-and-boots legs with the bottom of the jacket showing below the belt, but different torsos - blouse and flak armour for Cadians, dress uniforms for Mordians. The same legs with a kefiya-wrapped head and an unarmoured blouse torso work for Tallarns. Same legs and dress torso plus a pith-helmet head gets you Praetorians. Greatcoat legs could be interchangeable between Vostroyans, Valhallans, and Steel Legionnaires.

 

Victoria Miniatures has proved the concept works; I'd like to see GW run with it.


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GW hates true multipart kits these days because they can't cope with the competition making bits people want for their kits.so I doubt we will ever see a true multi part kit like they used to make. At best a new guard kit will be like the necromunda gangs
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Obviously I do not expect it, we will be stuck with Faith and Fury until 6 months before 10th edition lmao.
I would pay top dollar for new catachans tho.


I feel like GW would be missing a trick if they didn't at least provide supplements for Black Templars and other subfactions of interest via White Dwarf or something. For my money, and assuming here that they're putting all the First Founding chapter-specific stuff from the latest supplements into the main codex this time around, it makes sense to provide this sort of thing for Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Emperor's Spears (maybe update the collector's edition bonus supplement?), Scythes of the Emperor, et cetera - i.e. any of the chapters which have some distinctiveness worth representing mechanically and/or have a decent presence in the fiction that could justify relics and whatnot.

GW need to release two codex books for Marines. One has all the generic units usable by all chapters. The other has all the chapter specific units and a few pages of strats and relics for each one.
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GW hates true multipart kits these days because they can't cope with the competition making bits people want for their kits.so I doubt we will ever see a true multi part kit like they used to make. At best a new guard kit will be like the necromunda gangs

 
Ill-informed and flagrantly incorrect. Much like other manufacturers have started to recognise and respond to, (including my old employer) Games Workshop reached a state where the trade-off on new plastic sets was greater detail or greater customisation - they opted for the former, as any right-minded manufacturer ought to do. As a result of the unusual designs the company pushes as part of their IPs it's practically unfeasible to have both. Regardless of which it wouldn't have mattered which path the company took in the long run as they would have received considerable flak from the community either way. 
 
Trying to paint it as some hurr durr bersness line of thought is slavishly cult-like and speaks volumes of how little people actually know about the miniatures industry and the design processes involved in it.


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GW hates true multipart kits these days because they can't cope with the competition making bits people want for their kits.so I doubt we will ever see a true multi part kit like they used to make. At best a new guard kit will be like the necromunda gangs


Ill-informed and flagrantly incorrect. Much like other manufacturers have started to recognise and respond to, (including my old employer) Games Workshop reached a state where the trade-off on new plastic sets was greater detail or greater customisation - they opted for the former, as any right-minded manufacturer ought to do. As a result of the unusual designs the company pushes as part of their IPs it's practically unfeasible to have both. Regardless of which it wouldn't have mattered which path the company took in the long run as they would have received considerable flak from the community either way.

Trying to paint it as some hurr durr bersness line of thought is slavishly cult-like and speaks volumes of how little people actually know about the miniatures industry and the design processes involved in it.

The issue of smaller companies stealing GW’s IP for bits or making other kits not currently sold from the IP also i massive factor to why we see less customisation on our data sheets now!

Thanks to the ChapterHouse law suits etc we’ll never see the weapon options return again because of America’s weird copyright laws (IE. no primaris captain options unless already made by GW) so instead of praising the small companies they should be condemned for ruining our freedom for conversions or making our own guys how we want
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GW hates true multipart kits these days because they can't cope with the competition making bits people want for their kits.so I doubt we will ever see a true multi part kit like they used to make. At best a new guard kit will be like the necromunda gangs


Ill-informed and flagrantly incorrect. Much like other manufacturers have started to recognise and respond to, (including my old employer) Games Workshop reached a state where the trade-off on new plastic sets was greater detail or greater customisation - they opted for the former, as any right-minded manufacturer ought to do. As a result of the unusual designs the company pushes as part of their IPs it's practically unfeasible to have both. Regardless of which it wouldn't have mattered which path the company took in the long run as they would have received considerable flak from the community either way.

Trying to paint it as some hurr durr bersness line of thought is slavishly cult-like and speaks volumes of how little people actually know about the miniatures industry and the design processes involved in it.
The issue of smaller companies stealing GW’s IP for bits or making other kits not currently sold from the IP also i massive factor to why we see less customisation on our data sheets now!

Thanks to the ChapterHouse law suits etc we’ll never see the weapon options return again because of America’s weird copyright laws (IE. no primaris captain options unless already made by GW) so instead of praising the small companies they should be condemned for ruining our freedom for conversions or making our own guys how we want

That's not true, since we just need to look at Horus Heresy or Necromunda to see that's not the case. It's commonly stated by people in the community without realising the move away from highly optioned army lists and open customisation for models was a game design choice for particular systems, not something case in stone across GW (and thus not policy). There are many army options in the heresy without models, and also in Necromunda and Blood Bowl.

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Are those rumored heavy intercessors just supposed to have better guns or stat line increases as well? I hope those get previewed!

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GW hates true multipart kits these days because they can't cope with the competition making bits people want for their kits.so I doubt we will ever see a true multi part kit like they used to make. At best a new guard kit will be like the necromunda gangs


Ill-informed and flagrantly incorrect. Much like other manufacturers have started to recognise and respond to, (including my old employer) Games Workshop reached a state where the trade-off on new plastic sets was greater detail or greater customisation - they opted for the former, as any right-minded manufacturer ought to do. As a result of the unusual designs the company pushes as part of their IPs it's practically unfeasible to have both. Regardless of which it wouldn't have mattered which path the company took in the long run as they would have received considerable flak from the community either way.

Trying to paint it as some hurr durr bersness line of thought is slavishly cult-like and speaks volumes of how little people actually know about the miniatures industry and the design processes involved in it.
The issue of smaller companies stealing GW’s IP for bits or making other kits not currently sold from the IP also i massive factor to why we see less customisation on our data sheets now!

Thanks to the ChapterHouse law suits etc we’ll never see the weapon options return again because of America’s weird copyright laws (IE. no primaris captain options unless already made by GW) so instead of praising the small companies they should be condemned for ruining our freedom for conversions or making our own guys how we want
That's not true, since we just need to look at Horus Heresy or Necromunda to see that's not the case. It's commonly stated by people in the community without realising the move away from highly optioned army lists and open customisation for models was a game design choice for particular systems, not something case in stone across GW (and thus not policy). There are many army options in the heresy without models, and also in Necromunda and Blood Bowl.

I got that info direct from a GW employee who’s also a friend so make of it what you will, but they had to buy out the company that made thunder wolves first as they lost the IP battle and the change started very fast after the incident
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The classic "store manager told me, it must be true" .

As all the 3rd party knockoffs that exist and don't apparently infringe on design show, you can basically make the same thing and tweak details to make it "original" . Otherwise things like vanguard would be clearly infringing as they only change the odd detail and shrink it. If it's possible for these companies to make these models and their very low money to throw around in court to fight GW, it would be more than possible for gw to do the same.

Had to buy out the company that made thunderwolves lol. Did they also buy out every company that made a primarch model?
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The classic "store manager told me, it must be true" .

As all the 3rd party knockoffs that exist and don't apparently infringe on design show, you can basically make the same thing and tweak details to make it "original" . Otherwise things like vanguard would be clearly infringing as they only change the odd detail and shrink it. If it's possible for these companies to make these models and their very low money to throw around in court to fight GW, it would be more than possible for gw to do the same.

Had to buy out the company that made thunderwolves lol. Did they also buy out every company that made a primarch model?


Your argument is from a place of ignorance mate they did buy the company they also got Chapter houses assets froze

I really can’t be bothered arguing with you as you clearly have a strong view point and my hobby is more about painting models than arguing with someone on a forum

Have a nice day

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Obviously I do not expect it, we will be stuck with Faith and Fury until 6 months before 10th edition lmao.
I would pay top dollar for new catachans tho.

I feel like GW would be missing a trick if they didn't at least provide supplements for Black Templars and other subfactions of interest via White Dwarf or something. For my money, and assuming here that they're putting all the First Founding chapter-specific stuff from the latest supplements into the main codex this time around, it makes sense to provide this sort of thing for Black Templars, Crimson Fists, Emperor's Spears (maybe update the collector's edition bonus supplement?), Scythes of the Emperor, et cetera - i.e. any of the chapters which have some distinctiveness worth representing mechanically and/or have a decent presence in the fiction that could justify relics and whatnot.
GW need to release two codex books for Marines. One has all the generic units usable by all chapters. The other has all the chapter specific units and a few pages of strats and relics for each one.

One book to contain all the DA/SW/BA/DW stuff plus all the unique first founding chapter stuff? That would be one big book

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Ishagu is right, they could absolutely do that. It exists currently in the HH with the Legion book, and it works quite well. The sum of the BA/SW/DA/DW stuff isn't greater than the 13 legions in that book. If you cut out the fluff, you could essentially have another book with everything in it.

It would definitely be doable and I think it would be quite nice for gameplay, although the people playing those would want something for their lore, etc.


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Even without lore it would still have to cover the unique stuff from 4 codices plus 6 supplements.

Wolves alone have about 30 unique datasheets. 16 or so for other main codex chapters. Another 30 for DA/BA plus Ravenwing and Deathwing. Plus all of deathwatch, so roughly 100 datasheets but probably more

Then youve got warlord traits, relics, unique special rules, 9 (?) Psychic disciplines and sets of strategems. Plus any tactical objectives if theyre still a thing. Plus unique wargear. And thats without anything on unit markings or paintschemes without going full lore.

That is one big (and dry) book. Would also be more expensive for people who only play one (unique) chapter too, HH books would be around double a codex supplement. And thats on top of a book/price increase for 'non codex' marines already

Probably great for hardcore/veteran multichapter players, not so much for newer and or mono chapter

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I think that for 40k they will show the some more for Marines and necrons cause from the leaks we Know there is something to be revealed
For SM is the leaked primaria LS, the heavy intercessors, the eradicators with options, the gravis captain with heavy bolt rifle and so on
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I think that for 40k they will show the some more for Marines and necrons cause from the leaks we Know there is something to be revealed
For SM is the leaked primaria LS, the heavy intercessors, the eradicators with options, the gravis captain with heavy bolt rifle and so on


Man I sure hope so. Some high quality pics and maybe rules teases would be slick!
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