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Space Marines - leaks and datasheets (updated)


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So, do we not yet know of any changes to the power maul profile? I swear I saw it somewhere, but they don't tend to put power mauls in their kits, so they're not on the datasheets.
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I can’t think of a loyalist kit with a power maul. Dark Angels tactical, maybe?

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Death Watch Kill team box have them. And the sulphurhounds comes with one for the leader.


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I'm just seeing image codes, no actual images (except for Petitioner's City's post, which shows the image).

Slight tangent but I hope the mods allow it: If you use Firefox (like I do) and only see these weird codes instead of images (like I do) then press right-click on the code and then the middle mouse button on "View Image". The middle mouse button just opens it in a new tab, so you've got the B&C still open to check out another link, compare images, etc.

It should be the same or similar with other browsers.

 

I don't know exactly what I did, but the images that are only showing weird codes are hosted on Facebook and since I don't use that and Firefox has a special Facebook Container, I guess it prevents them from loading a preview.

 

But now something on topic: Am I seeing this right and the Invictor's Heavy Bolter is down to one shot only? It's still Heavy, not a Pistol (even though he uses it like one)... weird.


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I can’t think of a loyalist kit with a power maul. Dark Angels tactical, maybe?

Ravenwing black knights can take a power maul, and possibly the RW champion. I've never seen anyone take one over a Corvus Hammer though.

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I can’t think of a loyalist kit with a power maul. Dark Angels tactical, maybe?

Ravenwing black knights can take a power maul, and possibly the RW champion. I've never seen anyone take one over a Corvus Hammer though.
There is no dark angels tactical box. Both the veterans box and the black Knights box have power mauls. Neither looks very good in my opinion.
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Power Axes looking mean.


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While the conversation about power sword-wielding units is interesting, this discussion is veering off topic to the core of the thread's purpose.

Which by the way, is not to discuss whether or not you think a full squad of power swords is competitive.

Stay on topic, or replies are going to have to start playing disappearing acts, gents.


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While the conversation about power sword-wielding units is interesting, this discussion is veering off topic to the core of the thread's purpose.

Which by the way, is not to discuss whether or not you think a full squad of power swords is competitive.

Stay on topic, or replies are going to have to start playing disappearing acts, gents.


Would it maybe be possible to split those posts into a new topic?
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yes, i can certainly snip them out and move them to amicus, if there's a request to have it done so the conversation may continue; assuming it will continue in a civil manner, of course.  And then ill clean up the remainder of this thread to avoid confusion.


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You could by your own effort War Angel create a thread about the topic and begin a dicussion fresh and fully focused on the matter. While the moderators are here to keep us on track, if you think its worth the discussion and not just a minor de-railment that a moderator is correcting then feel free to make it so. Moderators are only volunteers and their duties are to keep things on track and the power to split off discussions has imo been used quite heavily recently and we have had to have multiple threads combined. The mods do a good job but we are fellow fraters aren't powerless, we can help by creating the outlets for discussion and thus help keep the forum active.

I doubt all discussion about the matter is needed for a new topic on the matter and the posters of said post could indeed make a new post in the new thread and without concern of de-railment expand their thoughts.

 

I mean, by all accounts I say this because I am trying to help. Moderators moderate but the content of the site is driven by us: the rank and file fraters. They just make sure we don't go places we shouldn't. Just that I feel moderators have been doing a lot of work when us fraters could of stepped up to the plate. Want a thread? Make a thread.

I mean...I do it, and for things far more trite than discussing tactical application of power weapons.


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Well let’s give dusktiger his due respect he doesn’t need any help as what he said is simply put and thank the Emperor for that .
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You could by your own effort War Angel create a thread about the topic and begin a dicussion fresh and fully focused on the matter. While the moderators are here to keep us on track, if you think its worth the discussion and not just a minor de-railment that a moderator is correcting then feel free to make it so. Moderators are only volunteers and their duties are to keep things on track and the power to split off discussions has imo been used quite heavily recently and we have had to have multiple threads combined. The mods do a good job but we are fellow fraters aren't powerless, we can help by creating the outlets for discussion and thus help keep the forum active.
I doubt all discussion about the matter is needed for a new topic on the matter and the posters of said post could indeed make a new post in the new thread and without concern of de-railment expand their thoughts.
 
I mean, by all accounts I say this because I am trying to help. Moderators moderate but the content of the site is driven by us: the rank and file fraters. They just make sure we don't go places we shouldn't. Just that I feel moderators have been doing a lot of work when us fraters could of stepped up to the plate. Want a thread? Make a thread.
I mean...I do it, and for things far more trite than discussing tactical application of power weapons.


I don’t have the ability to split threads, and I’m not really involved in the topic, but I’m interested in listing to it.

Stop trying to troll me and insult me by saying I should use abilities I don’t have.
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I created a new thread in amicuss but is limited to what loyalist Astartes can take .
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You could by your own effort War Angel create a thread about the topic and begin a dicussion fresh and fully focused on the matter. While the moderators are here to keep us on track, if you think its worth the discussion and not just a minor de-railment that a moderator is correcting then feel free to make it so. Moderators are only volunteers and their duties are to keep things on track and the power to split off discussions has imo been used quite heavily recently and we have had to have multiple threads combined. The mods do a good job but we are fellow fraters aren't powerless, we can help by creating the outlets for discussion and thus help keep the forum active.
I doubt all discussion about the matter is needed for a new topic on the matter and the posters of said post could indeed make a new post in the new thread and without concern of de-railment expand their thoughts.
 
I mean, by all accounts I say this because I am trying to help. Moderators moderate but the content of the site is driven by us: the rank and file fraters. They just make sure we don't go places we shouldn't. Just that I feel moderators have been doing a lot of work when us fraters could of stepped up to the plate. Want a thread? Make a thread.
I mean...I do it, and for things far more trite than discussing tactical application of power weapons.


I don’t have the ability to split threads, and I’m not really involved in the topic, but I’m interested in listing to it.

Stop trying to troll me and insult me by saying I should use abilities I don’t have.

 

War Angel. he was not telling you to split the thread. he was suggesting you, or anyone else, start a new thread to continue the conversation about power swords.  Rather than split the thread, since the mods have been doing this a lot lately.  No one is trolling you, or insulting you.  Just calmly re-read his entire reply and you'll see what he meant.

 

 

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I created a new thread in amicuss but is limited to what loyalist Astartes can take .

i've gone ahead and just split the power swords/mauls/claws topic off into this one. though it looks like the software may have altered the thread somewhat by the timestamps of the posts, so it might be a little confusing at first to read it.


Edited by Dusktiger, 27 August 2020 - 02:24 AM.

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Thanks DT - it is interesting to hear what other fraters have to say .


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It feels weird to me that the Invictus Warsuit and the Redemptor Dreadnought have almost identical statlines, particularly wounds and saves.


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right? for something that's lighter armoured and all, i definitely see being -1 Toughness.  but it does seem odd that the wounds and strength of the models are identical.  I would've expected Str/Tou 6, and around.. i dunno, 11 wounds, or so.


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The warsuit has always sat in a really uncomfortable spot for me. It has more wounds than a standard or Ironclad dreadnought, and is kind of blatantly stat amped in a way that doesn't feel true to what it is. GW made that bed though, so now we sleep in it.


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War suit can’t use any Dreadnaught stats so not worth it for me plus the way the roll off works now for 1st turn hurts.


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The warsuit has always sat in a really uncomfortable spot for me. It has more wounds than a standard or Ironclad dreadnought, and is kind of blatantly stat amped in a way that doesn't feel true to what it is. GW made that bed though, so now we sleep in it.


If we compare those leaked stats to another SM "warsuit" (as in an armoured SM piloting a mech chassis), it has +1W and +1S over the Nemesis Dreadknight. Model/lore wise I don't see it as actually being better in strength or survivability...but maybe because it's also Primaris.
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It’s interesting to compare the invictor to the dreadknight, which is arguably the most similar thing to it in function. Weird that it has a better stat line, though to be fair the dreadknight has much better saves.

The difference between T7 and T6 isn’t that huge. The invictor has arguably better guns than a redemptor (especially for armies like my Fists Due to so many heavy shots), can set up in concealed positions, and costs less. The lack of dreadnought strats is an issue, but those strats are better used on a leviathan. To me, the invictor seems like the clearly better option.

You can make other comparisons. An invictor has more wounds and more firepower than a predator, but is an infiltrating walker with a scary CCW. And it costs only 5 points more than the pred. It used to be cheaper, so that’s something.
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C+C always welcome on my Titanic Plog. Should really be painting Crimson Fists.

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Nothing shocking but rhino/razorback was posted on reddit and imgur.

 

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Hunter killer is S10 now? Or has that always been around? Thought it was like a krak missile at S8.


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Yes hunter killers have changed to S10 from 8, doesn't look like lascannons have changed at all, be interesting to see what happens to them in comparison with other choices.


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