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[ShinyRhino]

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

[Stupidity]

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

 

Ya, It's a good thing I paused my plans to build a Raven Guard army to focus on Necrons. 9th does not look to be kind to them. 

[Jukkiz]

But shrike?

 

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

 

[Gederas]

But shrike?

 

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

Those are relic weapons. Shrike, Calgar, Tigirus, Ragnar and Mephiston all are using the same weapons they had in their rules before becoming Primaris Marines. (Ferrios too per his fluff, but he didn't exist before his model came out)

 

Only Primaris characters who have explicitly new weapons since becoming Primaris are Tor Garadon and Adrax Agatone. Lazarus' weapon is... I'm not sure if that's a new weapon or his old sword (it's ambiguously worded)

Edited by Gederas, 14 September 2020 - 02:37 PM.

[Irbis]

Those are relic weapons. Shrike, Calgar, Tigirus, Ragnar and Mephiston all are using the same weapons they had in their rules before becoming Primaris Marines. (Ferrios too per his fluff, but he didn't exist before his model came out)
 
Only Primaris characters who have explicitly new weapons since becoming Primaris are Tor Garadon and Adrax Agatone. Lazarus' weapon is... I'm not sure if that's a new weapon or his old sword (it's ambiguously worded)

 

That still doesn't explain why Intercessor sergeant stole keys to armory and is the only one with options in the whole chapter, not even captains and lieutenants have such privileges

 

Would it really kill GW to give all other primaris squads same options? Hell, they don't even need to make bits, I am perfectly happy with using terminator weapons on heavy intercessors. Just give us the Cawl-damned rules. It really sucks sergeants were always rewarded with nice melee weapon upon promotion in fluff but suddenly primaris ones no longer do that...

[Jukkiz]

 

But shrike?

 

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

Those are relic weapons. Shrike, Calgar, Tigirus, Ragnar and Mephiston all are using the same weapons they had in their rules before becoming Primaris Marines. (Ferrios too per his fluff, but he didn't exist before his model came out)

 

Only Primaris characters who have explicitly new weapons since becoming Primaris are Tor Garadon and Adrax Agatone. Lazarus' weapon is... I'm not sure if that's a new weapon or his old sword (it's ambiguously worded)

 

In this logic, Shrike should have old mittens with knuckle duster blades, right? The new ones look far more advanced then he used to have

Edited by Jukkiz, 14 September 2020 - 07:14 PM.

[Gederas]

But shrike?

 

Looks like Cawl lost the blueprints for Primaris lightning claws .

Those are relic weapons. Shrike, Calgar, Tigirus, Ragnar and Mephiston all are using the same weapons they had in their rules before becoming Primaris Marines. (Ferrios too per his fluff, but he didn't exist before his model came out)

 

Only Primaris characters who have explicitly new weapons since becoming Primaris are Tor Garadon and Adrax Agatone. Lazarus' weapon is... I'm not sure if that's a new weapon or his old sword (it's ambiguously worded)

In this logic, Shrike should have old mittens with knuckle duster blades, right? The new ones look far more advanced then he used to have

Progression of fluff and technology.

 

Because Shrike's weapons are closer in design to the 30k Corax model, who designed his own weapons, and since Shrike's claws are supposed to have been hand-crafted by Corax...

Edited by Gederas, 14 September 2020 - 08:51 PM.

[Shadow Captain Vyper]

It's funny to me that people think we won't be getting things like cawl-ified lightning claws. Or a primaris analog for Assault Marines (and no, I don't mean Inceptors, I mean shoulder down, rocket fueled power slams, rip and tear chainsword action). And then a primaris vanguard analog. And then primaris captain/librarian/chaplain with cawlified jump pack. Let's be real, jump packs (and lightning claws) are an iconic part of the warhammer stable, they are coming.

 

We are like pigs to slaughter, much better to bleed us slowly over years than attempt to gut us by releasing everything together.

 

Back on topic: I can't wait to see photos of the Assault Intercessor frame and how it's laid out. That should give us a better indicator of whats to come of things like Crusader squads, Death Company Intercessors, Grey Hunters, etc. I get the feeling the company is moving away from re-using frames and moving more towards a bespoke frame layout for each unit (advantages of a new CAD-era of design as opposed the the old sculpt-and-cast method).

 

Overall, pretty stoked!

[Alcyon]

shoulder down, rocket fueled power slams, rip and tear chainsword action

 

Sign me the   up!

[ShinyRhino]

We are like pigs to slaughter, much better to bleed us slowly over years than attempt to gut us by releasing everything together.

While I don't disagree with your points, slowly over the years is the complete opposite of how you slaughter hogs. That's done quickly, all in one go .

[OttoVonAwesome]

Yeah awhile back I think Jes Goodwin said the waves were themed on armour patterns. This ones Gravis the next will be Omnis and if there aren't jump assualt marines in that I'll be super shocked.

[Lord Nord]

Yeah awhile back I think Jes Goodwin said the waves were themed on armour patterns. This ones Gravis the next will be Omnis and if there aren't jump assualt marines in that I'll be super shocked.

 

I don't know how this wave can be themed on the Gravis pattern given that only the Bolt Rifle Captain, Heavy Intercessors, and Eradicators are wearing Gravis. Meanwhile, the Techmarine, Bike Chaplain, Bladeguard Vets, Assault Intercessors, and Outriders are all in Tacticus, as are all five character models from Indomitus. Not to mention the Gladiator gunner, Servo-Turret gunner, and ATV driver and gunner. At least the Storm Speeder crew breaks things up a little, but they're still wearing Omnis helmets, not Gravis.

 

That's a pretty poor percentage. By contract, all of last year's units (minus the box-only Suppressors and gunner on the Executioner, which was really part of the Apocalypse launch and not the Vanguard wave), were wearing Phobos, even the dude in the baby carrier and the guy popping his head out of the Impulsor.

[Reinhard]

Yeah awhile back I think Jes Goodwin said the waves were themed on armour patterns. This ones Gravis the next will be Omnis and if there aren't jump assualt marines in that I'll be super shocked.

I really want melee Gravis before they move on

[War of the Eagle]

Yeah awhile back I think Jes Goodwin said the waves were themed on armour patterns. This ones Gravis the next will be Omnis and if there aren't jump assualt marines in that I'll be super shocked.

I really want melee Gravis before they move on

I feel like bladegaurd kinda stoll that nich for now. But Id like to see some typhoon missile launcher gravis or grav cannon gravis

[Reinhard]

 

 

Yeah awhile back I think Jes Goodwin said the waves were themed on armour patterns. This ones Gravis the next will be Omnis and if there aren't jump assualt marines in that I'll be super shocked.

I really want melee Gravis before they move on

I feel like bladegaurd kinda stoll that nich for now. But Id like to see some typhoon missile launcher gravis or grav cannon gravis

 

Speaking of which, I wouldn't mind seeing more "Crusade armor" releases as well.

[OttoVonAwesome]

The good part is none of the waves are exclusive to thier theme. Omnis units are coming but it's more than likely they coming alongside some other stuff. I'd be surprised at another Gravis melee though Agressors may not be everyone's jam but they do fill that niche. My only dissapointment on this wave is that there's no breacher shield option on the assualt intercessors and I'm only bringing this up cause somewhere there's an official artwork of primaris dark angel with chainsword and boarding shield.

[Lord Nord]

The good part is none of the waves are exclusive to thier theme. 

 

Still banging that drum, huh?

 

Not only is this wave not exclusively Gravis, it's not even recognizably Gravis.

 

If there's a theme, it's something else.

[War Angel]

The good part is none of the waves are exclusive to thier theme.

 
Still banging that drum, huh?
 
Not only is this wave not exclusively Gravis, it's not even recognizably Gravis.
 
If there's a theme, it's something else.

Brutal cunning?

[OttoVonAwesome]

I am banging that drum because I see at as two waves mashed together. With all that's been shown on this one you can make two distinctly themed forces based on the indomitus crusade half and the Gravis half thanks to the inclusion of troops and a captain as easily as shadowspear brought us the phobos army. The only missing piece for a full on Gravis theme is an LT and maybe a chaplain and librarian in Gravis wich the crusade side definetly did recieve. I could also argue that the most crusadery parts the bladeguard and hq's also have an aesthetic link to Gravis armour due to thier shoulder pads with the full kit even perfectly supporting the fancy chapter upgrade kit agressor shoulder pads but this is off topic and I'm now in a bit of a ramble so this the last I'll be commenting on this subject.

[Bryan Blaire]

I'd like to see the quote for this "release in themes" - I've watched through all Jes's Voxcasts, and while he definitely made it seem like they've basically got Marine materials in basically each armor pattern (Tacticus and variants of that, Phobos and variants of that, and Gravis and variants of that) to cover all niches, it sounded like the Shadowspear release was specifically Vanguard themed, which was pretty obviously Phobos themed and said to be such. There wasn't anything I could find on listening to them that sounded specifically like the plan was to release all Primaris releases going forward as themed releases around one armor type.

The Indomitus Crusade release doesn't seem to be built around one specific armor variation like Shadowspear was - too many things not in Gravis (Bladeguard style Captain, Chaplain - on bike and off, Judicar, Assault Intercessors, Outriders, speeder pilots, Techmarine, Techmarine on gun emplacement, Bladeguard themselves, and that's not counting the things you can't see Marines in) - contrasted with three Gravis units? A single shoulder pad, maybe even two, doesn't really support the Gravis aesthetic by itself - the Assault Intercessor in Tacticus certainly doesn't feed into a Gravis theme.

I'm actually hoping for more Gravis units down the line - really hope this isn't a themed release for them, it'd be a pretty big let down if this is all Gravis is going to get.

[OttoVonAwesome]

It was awhile ago I read it. My memory may be misremembering the facts but I definitely remember it was a paper article. White Dwarf or possibly the collectors guide with the one marine in it. Not really important I geuss my point is were getting pretty close to the point where it makes financial sense to refresh the old line. The rules at good balance between the two and the primaris themselves have grown to have counterpart to almost every niche the oldmarines filled. Horus heresy is also getting to the point where a refresh with updated models is getting closer and this primaris wave and new edition just has me gennerally stoked on the future of marines in general. 

[BladeOfVengeance]

I was thinking about these guys since weapon options on the sergeant was a major upgrade we were all waiting for. I think the main question for me is, does one extra attack and -1 AP really make or break this unit when compared to Assault Marines? Those guys have been bad for several editions and they have way more mobility than these dudes with another wound in the upcoming codex. They still don’t seem like a competitive unit for armies outside Blood Angels, Black Templars etc.

You’re also missing a big difference in the profiles which is the heavy bolt pistol having an 18” range with -1AP is great the fact these guys also have one more wound and attack is a massive bonus to a unit overall. Also with them being cheaper than the rest the primaris troops for every 10 you basically get a free power fist / or 5 points more with a thunder hammer than 10 intercessors

I know that the assault squad are also receiving a wound boost but that wasn’t the original point to was to compare them to the old assault squad data sheet in terms of competitiveness and they outstrip them completely

In my opinion they’ll be a great backbone troops choice moving forward 😊

[Ishagu]

Better than Assault Marines, hands down.

They have objective secured, are a Troop choice, and they might get a veteran upgrade option on top.
The boards are smaller too, so the extra movement isn't as impactful.

If you want jetpack Marines then Vanguard Vets are the better option.

Edited by Ishagu, 16 September 2020 - 10:09 AM.

[Blindhamster]

Intercessors got good stratagem support too, perhaps these guys will get something too? Maybe something to do with moving more quickly? Might even be a straight up datasheet ability to advance and charge for all we know.

[Ishagu]

Yeah, the strats might change our outlook completely.