221 replies to this topic

[Hathor42]

I think the relic should be able to bring back a none core model a turn instead of once per game

[01RTB01]

Perhaps but it is what it is

[Atrus]

Was it each unit onpy targetable once for resurrection? I thought that was only for Rites of Reanimation from the cryptek, implying that ghost ark repair rules be under a different name and therefore be able to apply in addition?

[mithrilforge]

Not going to say too much here as many others have said Lots about the rules writing fiasco ,
Hopefully the codex will make us happier... ?!?...
otherwise I’ll happily play my 60 Necron Warriors aggressively and play cat and mouse with my destroyers ;-)
And get a void dragon !!!

Mithril

[Ishagu]

I had a little test game with my Necrons from Indomnitus and some extra warriors. It was only 3 turns, and it was just putting the units to use.

Necron Warriors are a lot more durable than they used to be. I think 3 squads of 20 is the way to go.
Their new Str5 weapon (forget the name), now that it's Assault 2 is very appealing to me.

I think that custom dynasty trait that allows the whole army to move 6" before the game starts might be the way to go with this army.

Anyways, the new re-animation is significantly better for 1 wound models.

[Karhedron]

Necron Warriors are a lot more durable than they used to be. I think 3 squads of 20 is the way to go.
Their new Str5 weapon (forget the name), now that it's Assault 2 is very appealing to me.

Yes. 20 Reapers in a Night Scythe could put a lot of pressure on most targets and would be challenging to shift.

[Ishagu]

To be honest an army of implacable Necron Warriors is very appealing to me. I just need to decide on what scheme I'll be using to paint them.

[Atrus]

Aye, all this hype h a s been making me want to collect crons again. Rebuild the old silver tide I had. Ocean of warriors with cryptek, Sczaras (whatever his name), ghost arks, monolith and some destroyers. All done up in classic terminator chrome.

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

Illuminor Szeras I think is the name you’re looking for. And if you ever do restart Necrons, we await you in the Tombs.

[Karhedron]

Aye, all this hype h a s been making me want to collect crons again. Rebuild the old silver tide I had. Ocean of warriors with cryptek, Sczaras (whatever his name), ghost arks, monolith and some destroyers. All done up in classic terminator chrome.

Now is a good time to dive in. The Necron half of Indomitus can be picked up pretty cheaply on eBay at the moment but that will change as supplies of Indomitus run out and the models are either released separately or replaced with multi-part kits. For someone looking to start Necrons from scratch, Indomitus is great value.

[Seahawk]

Well brothers, I've spent too long putting this list together of alllllllll the ways Necrons can get killed but NOT get Reanimation Protocols, where last edition they would have gotten it, provided they weren't wiped out of course. Ouch.

 

 

All psychic powers.

All explosions or local equivalents.

Disembarking from a destroyed vehicle.

Emergency Disembarkation

Cut Them Down

Desperate Breakout

 

Brazier of Holy Fire (Adeptas Sororitas)

Similacrum of the Ebon Chalice (Adeptas Sororitas)

Anguish of the Unredeemed (Adeptas Sororitas)

Final Redemption (Adeptas Sororitas)

Light of Saint Agnaetha (Adeptas Sororitas)

 

Vicious Riposte (Black Templars)

Paragon of Fury (Black Templars)

 

Wrath Angelus (Adeptus Custodes)

 

Voltagheist Field (Adeptus Mechanicus)

Thuderstrike Gauntlet (Adeptus Mechanicus)

The Skull of Elder Nikola (Adeptus Mechanicus)

Arc Grenade Cluster (AM Engine War)

Bomb Rack (AM Engine War)

 

Air Raid Requested (Astra Militarum)

Deathstrike missile (the non-targeted units) (Astra Militarum)

Fire on My Position (Astra Militarum)

Furious Charge (AM The Greater Good)

Heavy Bombs (AM IA)

Hellstorm Bombs (AM IA)

Tactical Bombs (AM IA)

 

Freedom’s Hand (Imperial Knights)

Thunderstomp (Imperial Knights)

Chainsweep (Imperial Knights)

Master of the Joust (Imperial Knights)

The Paragon Gauntlet (Imperial Knights)

Mark of the Lance (Imperial Knights)

Electrothaumic Overload (IK Engine War)

 

Execution Bombardment (Inquisition Pariah)

 

Daemonifuge (Imperium Pariah)

 

Headshot (Officio Assassinorum)

Bio-meltdown (Officio Assassinorum)

 

Armour of Shrieking Souls (Chaos Space Marines)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Chaos Space Marines)

The Black Mace (its ability) (Chaos Space Marines)

The Eye of Night (Chaos Space Marines)

Blissgiver (its ability) (Chaos Space Marines)

Cranium Malevolus (CSM Faith and Fury)

Fist of Decay (its ability) (Chaos IA)

Poison Slime (Chaos IA)

Shattering Onslaught (Chaos IA)

Shower of Bile (Chaos IA)

 

Chainsweep (Chaos Knights)

Thunderstomp (Chaos Knights)

Death Grip (Chaos Knights)

Thunderous Charge (Chaos Knights)

The Putrid Carapace of Nurgle (Chaos Knights)

 

Crushing Impact (Chaos Daemons)

Deluge of Nurgle (Chaos Daemons)

Crushing Bulk (Chaos Daemons)

Putrid Offering (Chaos Daemons)

Ploughed Slime Trail (Chaos Daemons)

Deadly Slime Trail (Chaos Daemons)

Slashing Attack (Chaos Daemons)

Crushing Impact (Chaos Daemons)

Scything Impact (Chaos Daemons)
Sickness Blossoms (Chaos Daemons)

Blasted Standard (Chaos Daemons)

Acidic Ichor (Chaos Daemons)

Pestilent Miasma (Chaos Daemons)

Ritual Knife (CD Engine War)

Putrid Demise (CD Engine War)

Brass Stampede (CD Engine War)

Lord of Flux (CD Engine War)

 

Nurgle’s Gift (Death Guard)

Pestilential Fallout (Death Guard)

Host of Plagues (Death Guard)

Living Plague (Death Guard)

Nurgle’s Rot (Death Guard)

The Suppurating Plate (Death Guard)

Dolorous Knell (Death Guard)

Life Beyond Death (DG War of the Spider)

Torrent of Putrefaction (DG War of the Spider)

 

Icon of Flame (Thousand Sons)

Mutalith Vortex Beast Warp Vortex Powers (Thousand Sons)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Thousand Sons)

Coruscating Beam (Thousand Sons)

Warpflame Gargoyles (Thousand Sons)

Soul Flare (Thousand Sons)

 

Baharroth Grenade Pack (Craftworld Eldar)

Scorpion’s Bite (Craftworld Eldar)

The Maugetar (its ability) (Craftworld Eldar)

Mandiblasters (Craftworld Eldar)

Swooping Hawk Grenade Pack (Craftworld Eldar)

Serpent Shield (Craftworld Eldar)

The Phoenix Gem (Craftworld Eldar)

Psytronome of Iyanden (Craftworld Eldar)

Nerve-shredding Shriek (CWE Phoenix Rising)

Spider’s Lair (CWE Phoenix Rising)

 

Shrieker Cannon (its ability) (Harlequins)

The Final Joke (Harlequins)

The Suit of Hidden Knives (Harlequins)

Curtainfall (its abilities) (Harlequins)

 

Haemovores (Drukhari)

Grav Talon (Drukhari)

Cluster Caltrops (Drukhari)

Void Mine (Drukhari)

Eviscerating Fly-by (Drukhari)

Concealed Booby Traps (Drukhari)

Traitor’s Embrace (Drukhari)

Deadly Deceivers (D Phoenix Rising)

Slashing Impact (D Phoenix Rising)

Dark Harvest (D Phoenix Rising)

Dark Technomancers (D Phoenix Rising)

 

Soulsnare (Ynnari Phoenix Rising)

 

Spiked Ram (Orks)

Squig Mine (Orks)

Burna Bombs (Orks)

Boom Bomb (Orks)

Snagga Grapple (Orks)

Ramming Speed (Orks)

Kill-Kroozer Broadside (Orks)

Rezmekka’s Redder Armour (orks)

 

Pulse Bombs (Tau)

Tidewall Field (Tau)

Fail-safe Detonator (Tau)

Repulsor Impact Field (Tau)

Orbital Ion Beam (Tau)

Seismic Destabilizer (Tau)

Repulsor Impact Field (Tau The Greater Good)

Furious Assault (Tau The Greater Good)

Firestorm (Tau The Greater Good)

Seismic Fibrillator Node (Tau The Greater Good)

 

Death Throes (Tyranids)

Immortal Battering Ram (Tyranids)
Psychic Overload (Tyranids)

Toxic Miasma (Tyranids)
Volatile (Tyranids)

Floating Death (Tyranids)

Living Battering Ram (Tyranids)

Chitin Horns (Tyranids)

Thorned Battering Ram (Tyranids)

Terror from the Deep (Tyranids)

Psychic Barrage (Tyranids)

Caustic Blood (Tyranids)

Implant Attack (Tyranids)

Lethal Miasma (Tyranids)

Soul Hunger (Tyranids)

Voracious Ammunition (Tyr Blood of Baal)

 

Heavy Rock Cutter (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Heavy Rock Drill (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Scrambler Array (Genestealer Cults)

Injector Goad (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Seismic Quake (Genestealer Cults)

Detonate Concealed Explosives (Genestealer Cults)

Scourge of Distant Stars (Genestealer Cults)

Mark of the Clawed Omnissiah (Genestealer Cults)

Annihilating Advance (GSC The Greater Good)

 

Subject to Change

Haywire Mine (Space Marines)

Hunter Slayer Missile (Space Marines/multi)

Cluster Mine, (Space Marines/multi)

Crushing Charge (Space Marines/multi)

Frag Assault Launcher (Space Marines/multi)

Orbital Bombardment (Space Marines/multi)

Hammer of Wrath (Space Marines/multi)

Reliquary of Gathalamor (Iron Hands)

Raven’s Fury (Raven Guard)

A Deadly Prize (Raven Guard)

Anzuq (White Scars)

Deadly Hunter (White Scars)

Chogorian Thunderbolts (White Scars)

Glacius (its ability) (Space Wolves)

Helfrost Pistol (its ability) (Space Wolves)

Tempest Hammer (its ability) Space Wolves)

The Last Laugh (Space Wolves)

Frost Fury (its ability) (Space Wolves)     

Stasis Bomb (Dark Angels)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Dark Angels)

Blackstar Cluster Launcher (Deathwatch)

Clavis (Deathwatch)

Crushing Assault (SW Saga of the Beast)

Mountain Breaker (SW Saga of the Beast)

Talisman of Storms (SW Saga of the Beast)

Thunderhawk Cluster Bombs (SM IA)

Orbital Strike Augur (SM IA)

 

Lord of the Storm (Necrons)

Reality Unravels (Necrons)

Portal of Exile (Necrons)

Gravity Pulse (Necrons)

Vengeance of the Enchained (Necrons)

Amalgamated Targeting Data (Necrons)

Self-Destruction (Necrons)

Dispersion Amplification (Necrons)

Gravitic Singularity (Necrons)

All C’tan Powers (Necrons)

Lightning Field (Necrons)

The Abyssal Staff (its ability) (Necrons)

Death Sphere Bombardment (Nec IA)

Edited by Seahawk, 10 October 2020 - 01:43 AM.

[Atrus]

Aye, all this hype h a s been making me want to collect crons again. Rebuild the old silver tide I had. Ocean of warriors with cryptek, Sczaras (whatever his name), ghost arks, monolith and some destroyers. All done up in classic terminator chrome.

Now is a good time to dive in. The Necron half of Indomitus can be picked up pretty cheaply on eBay at the moment but that will change as supplies of Indomitus run out and the models are either released separately or replaced with multi-part kits. For someone looking to start Necrons from scratch, Indomitus is great value.

Alas, supporting family with low income means collecting is done a unit at a time once or twice a year at most, and even then it comes with a small amount of selfish guilt.
Funny that, will happily save up for things for the rest of the family but anything for myself just feels wrong.

[Wulf Vengis]

That wears off Atrus trust me.

[OttoVonAwesome]

Well brothers, I've spent too long putting this list together of alllllllll the ways Necrons can get killed but NOT get Reanimation Protocols, where last edition they would have gotten it, provided they weren't wiped out of course. Ouch.

 

 

All psychic powers.

All explosions or local equivalents.

 

Brazier of Holy Fire (Adeptas Sororitas)

Similacrum of the Ebon Chalice (Adeptas Sororitas)

Anguish of the Unredeemed (Adeptas Sororitas)

Final Redemption (Adeptas Sororitas)

Light of Saint Agnaetha (Adeptas Sororitas)

 

Vicious Riposte (Black Templars)

Paragon of Fury (Black Templars)

 

Wrath Angelus (Adeptus Custodes)

 

Voltagheist Field (Adeptus Mechanicus)

Thuderstrike Gauntlet (Adeptus Mechanicus)

The Skull of Elder Nikola (Adeptus Mechanicus)

Arc Grenade Cluster (AM Engine War)

Bomb Rack (AM Engine War)

 

Air Raid Requested (Astra Militarum)

Deathstrike missile (the non-targeted units) (Astra Militarum)

Fire on My Position (Astra Militarum)

Furious Charge (AM The Greater Good)

Heavy Bombs (AM IA)

Hellstorm Bombs (AM IA)

Tactical Bombs (AM IA)

 

Freedom’s Hand (Imperial Knights)

Thunderstomp (Imperial Knights)

Chainsweep (Imperial Knights)

Master of the Joust (Imperial Knights)

The Paragon Gauntlet (Imperial Knights)

Mark of the Lance (Imperial Knights)

Electrothaumic Overload (IK Engine War)

 

Execution Bombardment (Inquisition Pariah)

 

Daemonifuge (Imperium Pariah)

 

Headshot (Officio Assassinorum)

Bio-meltdown (Officio Assassinorum)

 

Armour of Shrieking Souls (Chaos Space Marines)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Chaos Space Marines)

The Black Mace (its ability) (Chaos Space Marines)

The Eye of Night (Chaos Space Marines)

Blissgiver (its ability) (Chaos Space Marines)

Cranium Malevolus (CSM Faith and Fury)

Fist of Decay (its ability) (Chaos IA)

Poison Slime (Chaos IA)

Shattering Onslaught (Chaos IA)

Shower of Bile (Chaos IA)

 

Chainsweep (Chaos Knights)

Thunderstomp (Chaos Knights)

Death Grip (Chaos Knights)

Thunderous Charge (Chaos Knights)

The Putrid Carapace of Nurgle (Chaos Knights)

 

Crushing Impact (Chaos Daemons)

Deluge of Nurgle (Chaos Daemons)

Crushing Bulk (Chaos Daemons)

Putrid Offering (Chaos Daemons)

Ploughed Slime Trail (Chaos Daemons)

Deadly Slime Trail (Chaos Daemons)

Slashing Attack (Chaos Daemons)

Crushing Impact (Chaos Daemons)

Scything Impact (Chaos Daemons)
Sickness Blossoms (Chaos Daemons)

Blasted Standard (Chaos Daemons)

Acidic Ichor (Chaos Daemons)

Pestilent Miasma (Chaos Daemons)

Ritual Knife (CD Engine War)

Putrid Demise (CD Engine War)

Brass Stampede (CD Engine War)

Lord of Flux (CD Engine War)

 

Nurgle’s Gift (Death Guard)

Pestilential Fallout (Death Guard)

Host of Plagues (Death Guard)

Living Plague (Death Guard)

Nurgle’s Rot (Death Guard)

The Suppurating Plate (Death Guard)

Dolorous Knell (Death Guard)

Life Beyond Death (DG War of the Spider)

Torrent of Putrefaction (DG War of the Spider)

 

Icon of Flame (Thousand Sons)

Mutalith Vortex Beast Warp Vortex Powers (Thousand Sons)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Thousand Sons)

Coruscating Beam (Thousand Sons)

Warpflame Gargoyles (Thousand Sons)

Soul Flare (Thousand Sons)

 

Baharroth Grenade Pack (Craftworld Eldar)

Scorpion’s Bite (Craftworld Eldar)

The Maugetar (its ability) (Craftworld Eldar)

Mandiblasters (Craftworld Eldar)

Swooping Hawk Grenade Pack (Craftworld Eldar)

Serpent Shield (Craftworld Eldar)

The Phoenix Gem (Craftworld Eldar)

Psytronome of Iyanden (Craftworld Eldar)

Nerve-shredding Shriek (CWE Phoenix Rising)

Spider’s Lair (CWE Phoenix Rising)

 

Shrieker Cannon (its ability) (Harlequins)

The Final Joke (Harlequins)

The Suit of Hidden Knives (Harlequins)

Curtainfall (its abilities) (Harlequins)

 

Haemovores (Drukhari)

Grav Talon (Drukhari)

Cluster Caltrops (Drukhari)

Void Mine (Drukhari)

Eviscerating Fly-by (Drukhari)

Concealed Booby Traps (Drukhari)

Traitor’s Embrace (Drukhari)

Deadly Deceivers (D Phoenix Rising)

Slashing Impact (D Phoenix Rising)

Dark Harvest (D Phoenix Rising)

Dark Technomancers (D Phoenix Rising)

 

Soulsnare (Ynnari Phoenix Rising)

 

Spiked Ram (Orks)

Squig Mine (Orks)

Burna Bombs (Orks)

Boom Bomb (Orks)

Snagga Grapple (Orks)

Ramming Speed (Orks)

Kill-Kroozer Broadside (Orks)

Rezmekka’s Redder Armour (orks)

 

Pulse Bombs (Tau)

Tidewall Field (Tau)

Fail-safe Detonator (Tau)

Repulsor Impact Field (Tau)

Orbital Ion Beam (Tau)

Seismic Destabilizer (Tau)

Repulsor Impact Field (Tau The Greater Good)

Furious Assault (Tau The Greater Good)

Firestorm (Tau The Greater Good)

Seismic Fibrillator Node (Tau The Greater Good)

 

Death Throes (Tyranids)

Immortal Battering Ram (Tyranids)
Psychic Overload (Tyranids)

Toxic Miasma (Tyranids)
Volatile (Tyranids)

Floating Death (Tyranids)

Living Battering Ram (Tyranids)

Chitin Horns (Tyranids)

Thorned Battering Ram (Tyranids)

Terror from the Deep (Tyranids)

Psychic Barrage (Tyranids)

Caustic Blood (Tyranids)

Implant Attack (Tyranids)

Lethal Miasma (Tyranids)

Soul Hunger (Tyranids)

Voracious Ammunition (Tyr Blood of Baal)

 

Heavy Rock Cutter (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Heavy Rock Drill (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Scrambler Array (Genestealer Cults)

Injector Goad (its ability) (Genestealer Cults)

Seismic Quake (Genestealer Cults)

Detonate Concealed Explosives (Genestealer Cults)

Scourge of Distant Stars (Genestealer Cults)

Mark of the Clawed Omnissiah (Genestealer Cults)

Annihilating Advance (GSC The Greater Good)

 

Subject to Change

Haywire Mine (Space Marines)

Hunter Slayer Missile (Space Marines/multi)

Cluster Mine, (Space Marines/multi)

Crushing Charge (Space Marines/multi)

Frag Assault Launcher (Space Marines/multi)

Orbital Bombardment (Space Marines/multi)

Hammer of Wrath (Space Marines/multi)

Reliquary of Gathalamor (Iron Hands)

Raven’s Fury (Raven Guard)

A Deadly Prize (Raven Guard)

Anzuq (White Scars)

Deadly Hunter (White Scars)

Chogorian Thunderbolts (White Scars)

Glacius (its ability) (Space Wolves)

Helfrost Pistol (its ability) (Space Wolves)

Tempest Hammer (its ability) Space Wolves)

The Last Laugh (Space Wolves)

Frost Fury (its ability) (Space Wolves)     

Stasis Bomb (Dark Angels)

Linebreaker Bombardment (Dark Angels)

Blackstar Cluster Launcher (Deathwatch)

Clavis (Deathwatch)

Crushing Assault (SW Saga of the Beast)

Mountain Breaker (SW Saga of the Beast)

Talisman of Storms (SW Saga of the Beast)

Thunderhawk Cluster Bombs (SM IA)

Orbital Strike Augur (SM IA)

 

Lord of the Storm (Necrons)

Reality Unravels (Necrons)

Portal of Exile (Necrons)

Gravity Pulse (Necrons)

Vengeance of the Enchained (Necrons)

Amalgamated Targeting Data (Necrons)

Self-Destruction (Necrons)

Dispersion Amplification (Necrons)

Gravitic Singularity (Necrons)

All C’tan Powers (Necrons)

Lightning Field (Necrons)

The Abyssal Staff (its ability) (Necrons)

Death Sphere Bombardment (Nec IA)

Would have saved alot of time by just saying "mortal wounds."

[Kain Mor]

I mean personally I think it’s nice to see the full list of all the ways you’re more susceptible to damage. Just saying “mortal wounds” isn’t as illustrative of how much damage you’re taking now.

It also includes models killed when disembarking dead transports if that’s not on the list.

[Nemesor Tyriks]

It's also not all mortal wounds. Mortal wounds dealt in the course of a standard attack sequence can be reanimated still

[Seahawk]

It's also not all mortal wounds. Mortal wounds dealt in the course of a standard attack sequence can be reanimated still

This is correct. Otto, there are still a TON of ways to suffer mortal wounds, via attacks. Those are not counted here because RP defends against attacks.

These are all the ways you can suffer mortal wounds or death OUTSIDE the attack sequence, where RP doesn't protect you.

 

Kain, good catch! I also added even more things to the list.

Honestly, RP IMO already needs a complete overhaul, and it hasn't even been released yet. It's terribly uneven across the army, and now you have to haul this list around with you so you can even play it right. It's severely inconsistent, and IMO that's bad for game design.

Edited by Seahawk, 10 October 2020 - 01:47 AM.

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

It is a vast, vast stretch to suggest that anyone would need to keep that list close to hand in able to understand when RP does and does not apply. IN fact, it'd be a hell of a stretch to suggest that list even helps people know what to be prepared for. I know what maybe 80 percent of those rules are off of the top of my head, and youc ould toss a large part of them out the window because they won't ever be used. The remainder is split up into chunky salsa and sprinkled through the armies you'll face. 

 

Aside from the very general rule of psychic, explosions, and transport deaths bypassing RP, the rest are pretty situational/restricted/expensive. Also, to call the rule unbalanced across the army is a little silly. Spiders have a close to 0 percent chance of it going off without 2 out of 3 dead and the orb being used, and destroyers give it the side eye without the orb being used, but I wouldn't call it imbalanced. You'll still pop a single destroyer up often enough if 2 die, and your 1-2 wound models love it. That's most of the army, really.

 

Those models that take damage without dying also have living metal now, which is extremely tasty on anything 2-3 wounds, and helps combine with RP, as well as the other 'return model to life' abilities to give Necrons pretty great staying power.

 

WE as a community are really going to have to move past this 3+ wounds hangup. There are problems with the Necron book that I'd like to see addressed, , but RP is not one of them. 

[Seahawk]

It's inconsistent.

One 5+ needed to RP this model over here, but four 5+ for that model over there. You can use RP in these situations here, but not those over there.


IMO it should be one success result needed for any size model, and applicable to all dead bots from any source (except morale of course).

[quasistellar]

Nah. It's pretty clear and works well. Might not be what YOU want, but I think it's great.

[01RTB01]

First game last night It's all good!

[battle captain corpus]

With the new Codex Necron's on general release this is no longer a News worthy or rumouriffic thread.

Head on over to the Necron's sub forum guys to discuss the new finer points etc by all means.

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