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Grand Catalog of the Legiones Astartes during the GC v3.0


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 Below please find a catalog of what we know about each Legion's forte, size, fleet, and original Terran genetic sources. 

 

With the release of FW's Black Book 9: Crusade, we now have the last piece of the puzzle (The Dark Angels) and so I present the notes I've been taking as I've read each of the Black Books. 

 

The purpose of this listing is to put everything in one place (something I made on my own just to wrap my own head around) in order to compare, contrast, and to better understand where each was in terms of size and scope at the height and end of the Great Crusade. Further--especially for a nerd like me--it is intriguing to try to suss out some of the original intentions for each, with details such as where their original Terran candidates were recruited from. More data and categories may be added down the road, but this is the start. 

 

All data is taken from ForgeWorld Black Books, what I consider the Primary Sources for this comparison. 

 

This is also intended to be a living list and so I ask the community for input and help filling in gaps, especially in places where it says DATA MISSING (see notes at the end of this post for glossary).

 

Hope you enjoy and/or find this useful. 

 

 

The Legiones Astartes

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Notes on formatting:
  • OP = Original Poster, aka me. So when I put "OP's Notes" those are my own comments and markup
  • Author = in-setting author(s) of the Black Books. Important to distinguish from OP since these bits are official source material and often deliberately used to make something speculative or to tell us something without actually telling us something
  • DATA NEEDED = unknown to the OP, asking for help filling in
  • DATA MISSING = information deliberately redacted in-universe to evoke mystery and speculation on the part of the readers
  • All #'s for Legion size and fleet are as listed in the Black Books, so the fact that they do not match-up apples-to-apples may be deliberate. For example, some mention size only at a particular moment in time (i.e. Istvaan III) while others list their average size over the course of the GC, and so forth. I have done my best to include what hard #'s are to be found, regardless of what point in the timeline those #'s are mentioned to at least attempt as close to a 1:1 comparison as possible
 
Reference: 
  • Gothic Terminology for Allegiance classification
  • Trefoil Legions
  • Fun speculation on how pre-unification Terra locations map to current day locations
  • Select Primarch information (COMING SOON)
  • Legion Homeworld information (COMING SOON)
  • Analysis of Legion Exemplary Battles (IN PROGRESS with v3.0, Assistance requested)
  • Legion Fiefdoms (POSSIBLY COMING)
  • Allied Titan Legions (POSSIBLY COMING, Assistance requested)

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Looks good! A few notes on gaps to be filled below.

 
I legion - recruitment was from the Francish plains, islands of Albia, Anatolic steppes, frozen Skandia, “a dozen other cultures”. 
 
Also for 'observed strategic tendencies', I'd note that FW previously stated that they were "Combined arms and multi-spectra warfare, Exterminatus and purgation campaigns, extended independent void operations". Obviously for Crusade they replaced this with the text you used, to emphasise the jack-of-all-trades nature of the first but to be honest I think the earlier desctiption still fits as well? It lines up perfectly with how their war-practices are described in Crusade and might be worth including alongside the current description.
 
IV legion - recruitment was from "gun-tribes, blood grieves and Tek-enclaves" of the Auro Plateau of Sek-Amrak and surrounding areas (these were early recruits, if not the very first)
 
X legion - you mentioned the Thorakata auxiliaries for the IVth and the Therion cohorts for the XIXth, would it be worth adding the Chainveil here? Imperial army troops inducted into the X legion auxilia.
 
XIII legion - recruitment was from across Terra, from the cultures that resisted the most including "the sub-equatorial maglev clans of Panpocro, the war families of the Saragon Enclave, the proud Midafrik Hive Oligarchy, and [...] the anthropophagic tribes of the Caucasus Wastes"
 
XVI legion - recruitment was initially "the hunter clans of the Jutigran Bowl and the Samsatian sub-plate slums"

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Ravenguard Original Intake: Xeric Tribes. 

 

Ultramarines: Their 'Warborn' nickname is a result of being drawn from the most intransigent peoples of Terra, implied to have been a final measure by the Emp to prevent their rising again. Particular note is the Saragon Enclaves, Panpocro Mag-Lev Clans, Caucasus Waste Tribes and Midafrik Oligarchies. 

 

Sons of Horus: 130-170k by Istvaan 3, 70-110k after that. 100+ Capital Ships and approx three times that number in Escorts and Cruisers. They supposedly originate from the Samsatian Sub-Plate Slums and the hunter-clans of the Jutigran Bowl.

 

Salamanders: No notes on their pool, Their fleet is just noted to not be large.

 

Dark Angels: Teetering on 'better than everyone else' their fleet is noted to outsize even the Fists by a considerable margin with a Gloriana or equivalent vessel forming the core of most battle groups (these rarely numbering more than thousand Astartes, so there were alot of these).

 

Deathguard: Conflicting claims with the DAngels over who has the most forbidden DAoT arsenals and ancient or unique warships.

 

Thousand Sons: Worth adding that they might have mounted psychic weapons on them according to AK.


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The Night Lords fleet at the battle of Sheol IX consisted of 200 capital ships and three times that of escorts, while the Dark Angels fleet at the battle was 300 capital ships and twice that of smaller ships.


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Appreciate the assist. I think I just forgot to jot down the Ultramarine origins since I definitely remember reading that. 

Great tip on the previous "Strategic Tendencies" notes for the Dark Angels

 

 

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Where did you get the #'s for the Sons of Horus? I'm curious since I combined Book 1: Massacre for those details and remember coming up short and being frustrated about it. 

 

The Night Lords fleet at the battle of Sheol IX consisted of 200 capital ships and three times that of escorts, while the Dark Angels fleet at the battle was 300 capital ships and twice that of smaller ships.

 

Good call. I must have glazed over that part in the Thramas Campaign section of Book 9: Crusade. 


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Appreciate the assist. I think I just forgot to jot down the Ultramarine origins since I definitely remember reading that. 

Great tip on the previous "Strategic Tendencies" notes for the Dark Angels

 

 

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Where did you get the #'s for the Sons of Horus? I'm curious since I combined Book 1: Massacre for those details and remember coming up short and being frustrated about it. 

 

The Night Lords fleet at the battle of Sheol IX consisted of 200 capital ships and three times that of escorts, while the Dark Angels fleet at the battle was 300 capital ships and twice that of smaller ships.

 

Good call. I must have glazed over that part in the Thramas Campaign section of Book 9: Crusade. 

 

Betrayal near the end of the SoH asset breakdown, although I would note that even AK is a bit iffy on those numbers. He even makes the point that aside from obvious obfuscation, Horus had basically destroyed the hierarchy of the Legion to such a point that only he could really make heads or tails of it.

 

I've made the point the Horus basically eroded the sixteenth into a barbarian horde before but boy is that section fun in watching that devolution eventually end with AK more or less going 'look man, I cant make heads or tails of this stuff either'.

 

Pg. 79 if you want confirmation. 


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Probably more work, BUT what about adding a known allies list with external non legion forces like knight houses + Titan legions, forgeworlds etc? Would help people out wanting allies from different factions in HH and 40k. 

 

EDIT- here I will help. According to my notes The Iron Warriors had ties/ good relations with Titan Legio Krytos, Knight House Caesarean, Knight House Kepsydra. I lost the references, my old laptop died I only have basic notes on my phone about them. 


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Another possibility might be associated fiefs and territories?



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Fiefs and territories would probably be easy enough, the black books have that right at the start of the respective legion sections. 

 

Allies would be cool, folks genuinely do come looking for e.g. knight houses or titan legions with a history of fighting alongside particular astartes legions. It can be a bit tricky to define how close you have to be before it counts as an ally though. Legio Audax fought alongside the Dark Angels and were honoured by the Lion but ended up being intimately associated with the World Eaters. The Cthonian Headhunter regiments of the solar auxilia were recruited from the Sons of Horus's stomping ground but don't seem to have been as intimately associated with the XVIth legion as the Thorakites were with the IVth.


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Good points about fiefdoms and allies. I included allies for some, like the IV Legion, mainly because the in-setting author seemed to make an explicit point about mentioning them. Likewise for qualifications or special notes on fleets or force sizes, something the in-setting author ("AK") seems to go out of his or her way to point things out which is why I include that for some yet not others. 

 

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Updated to V2.0, adding "Exploration of military terminologies as it relates to Legion Specializations." 

 

....that is where things get juicy and ripe for healthy discussion, if I might say so myself...


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Awesome work.


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Nice one, interesting work. Well done making sense of "anti-material warfare" as well. In the context of the Iron Hands and Massacre's emphasis on their ability to take down mechanised or other technologically advanced foes, your explanation fits.

 

Gnostic purgation: I think your explanation is good. Given it's the Word Bearers, I would go further and say it's the targeted modification/destruction of an enemy ideology through military means. Sort of psychological warfare but beyond that, showing up a non-compliant world's belief systems as worthless. Like a pre-iterator way of acting. You could do this partially through oration and propaganda campaigns followed by destroying their cultural heritage/libraries/universities/sacred places/culturally significant leaders but also through a kind of symbolic warfare. From Massacre:

 

 

Although their methods of war were often workmanlike in application, the Word Bearers always displayed a taste for the symbolic act. War was not just a process, it was a message, and so the Word Bearers would often include notes of the spectacular into their campaigns to make a point.

 

This was the remit of the Ashen Circle but they all had a knack for it. The esoteric knowledge culling thing is there as well, I think, Malevolence does mention the WB being one of the go-to legions for dealing with this sort of thing but I feel that deliberate iconoclasm or destruction of an enemy culture gets closer to the meaning. Yes, this does get touch on brutality of RL imperialism, the great crusade was a monstrous thing. Incidentally this sort of behaviour also prepped the WB wonderfully for the kinds symbolic/ritual warfare Erebus and chaos demanded of them, all that sacrifice and ruinstorm stuff, the bread and butter of the 40k CSM. 

 

Harrowing: I think the harassment point is good but I'd tie this to stuff like William the Conqueror's Harrowing of the North ('harrying' seems about as common a use). Basically we're talking chevauchée, "a raiding method of medieval warfare for weakening the enemy, primarily by burning and pillaging enemy territory in order to reduce the productivity of a region, as opposed to siege warfare or wars of conquest".

 

Destroy the support network behind the enemy's military by targeting civilians and infrastructure before eventually, if necessary, bringing the weakened foe to battle. It's brutal, there's an aspect of targeting morale and discrediting the enemy's leadership or administration, it spreads terror and chaos, and it lines up with the Alpha Legion's MO. It's not fantastic if you want much of a useful territory left as a prize, which is why it was so reprehensible to Dorn and Guilliman.


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This is great stuff Indefragable. Could you add a note to each of the 'military methods' saying which legion(s) it was applied to?
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Update 2.1: per request added each Legion under the appropriate Military terms in the Exploration section


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  • Update 2.2: added further info to "Harrowing", added "Combined Arms" and "In Extremis" under "Exploration" section

 

Also a request: 

Under the Reference section you will see areas I hope to expand and add to down the line. If anyone would like to help with those, or provide info/details I can then sort into place, that would be appreciated (certainly in terms of speed to get it up there). Especially the allied Titan section since that is one that does not particularly hold personal interest to me. 

 

Edit: to expand on the above a bit further, hopefully as the "Exploration of Military Terminology" section shows, my big picture goal is to not just list say planet names for fiefdoms, but eventually provide a bit more information in order to explore how or why those particular planets fit a Legion. It could be as boring as "they're next to the homeworld," but there are certainly some interesting stories nested throughout the Black Book narratives (Bodt for the XII and Saraph for the IX come to mind). 


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Legio Xestobiax had a small garrison on Prospero.

Legio Audax served heavily alongside the World Eaters.

Legio Mordaxis was associated with the Word Bearers,

Legios Praesagius and Oberon had links to the Ultramarines.

Mortis and Victorum II both were noted as tools of the Warmaster.

Legio Phasma was associated with the Night Lords via the 'Midnight Treaties'.

Legio Magna was noted to have campaigned alongside both the Sons of Horus and the Word Bearers.

 

Legio Victorum I and II fought alongside the Night Lords and Legio I (later and forcibly) and III alongside the Dark Angels during the Thramas crusade, but I don't think they had any association prior to that.


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Legio Krytos were known for fighting in close concert with the Iron Warriors.

 

For knight houses:

 

House Aerthegn was intimately associated with the Sons of Horus, and owed personal allegiance to the primarch over the imperium as he was the one who discovered them.

House Lucaris was also personally loyal to Horus during the great crusade.

House Vyridion swore loyalty to Fulgrim and fought alongside the Emperor's Children for three generations of knights, though they began to doubt the rightness of Fulgrim's cause early in the heresy and were largely destroyed by their former allies.

House Vornherr pledged "to fight alongside the hosts of the Five Hundred Worlds of Ultramar unto death" and held Guilliman in higher regard than any other commander.


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House Makabius was also largely co-opted by Mortarion and the Death Guard during and after the Coronid Depths campaign. I don't recall if they were associated before then.



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Poking through Book 8: Malevolence over lunch....it appears that no Titan Legios nor Knight Houses accompanied the BA to Signus nor the WS to Chondax. Can anyone confirm? I will have to re-read their entire write-how to see if that was the norm or an aberration.

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AL should be under harrowing, its like their signature power move/ fatality at the end. I imagine its some crazy pitched battle stuff that somehow leaves no survivors?
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I certainly don't recall any. Chondax was meant to be a mobile mop up operation that would keep the White Scars tied down, and Signus was against an uncertain threat that Horus likewise didn't want to give the Angels too much of a chance against, so I'd say that it would have made sense for them not to be accompanied by such heavy duty assets. The Angels did have an allied Cybernetica cohort though.


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The Angels did have an allied Cybernetica cohort though.

 

To further this, The Blood Angels were accompanied on Signus by the Captia Aquillae from FW Anvillus which was from what I read was primarily a cybernetica cohort. So in the case of Signus, there weren't any deployed knights or titans or particularly large units.

 

This may be because those assets were all still in space as Anvillus were allied closely with BA and would have had titan/knight banner assets if the entire Legion deployed.

 

I wish there was more written about Forgeworld Anvillus, tbh.


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AL should be under harrowing, its like their signature power move/ fatality at the end. I imagine its some crazy pitched battle stuff that somehow leaves no survivors?


I list only precisely what FW Black Books say, and they don’t say Harrowing for AL.

...though what is listed can be interpreted as a variation of it.

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House Makabius was also largely co-opted by Mortarion and the Death Guard during and after the Coronid Depths campaign. I don't recall if they were associated before then.

 

Yeah, I hummed and hawed about the same. Their leadership were certainly schmoozing it up with Abaddon politically during the crusade but there's not much about them fighting together and none about fighting with the DG. I don't think it counts as association on the same level as e.g. Legio Mortis or House Aerthegn. And all it got them was Horus passing them over to Mortarion like a used TV...

 

 

AL should be under harrowing, its like their signature power move/ fatality at the end. I imagine its some crazy pitched battle stuff that somehow leaves no survivors?


I list only precisely what FW Black Books say, and they don’t say Harrowing for AL.

...though what is listed can be interpreted as a variation of it.

 

It's weird how FW didn't list it at the start when it's all over their FW background only pages later, to the point of their chapters sometime being called 'Harrows' and the AL officer with operational command in a theatre being a Harrowmaster. It's in Praetorian of Dorn as well, where the AL repeatedly refer to their pre-Pluto disruption actions as a harrowing.


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