Vassakov Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/GamaHDmpGRQShG3u.pdfYikes. I am now officially concerned. Where are our Strats & Relics...? Wulfen have been *smashed* with the nerf hammer. Long Fangs are now Devastators. We appear to have found Grav Weapons now. This feels very not-Space Wolves-y. Edited October 25, 2020 by Triszin TiguriusX and Bulwyf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Relax. This is just temporary until our supplement arrives. I wouldn't run it to a tournament but there are not a lot of those on anyway at the moment. Our Codex will be here before Christmas and we can all enjoy the festive cheer of too much and slaughtering your foes with a shiny new codex. Valerian, Kassill, Kallas and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Counter charge stratagem is still 6" and we keep touch of the wild Those were my biggest fears of being nerfed My main tools are good to go!!! Dark Shepherd, VIth and Filius 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Stormfang nooooooo!!! They created a melta array weapon profile and ruined our 8 melta shot dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Looks like armor of russ is gone too better bring 2 judiciars now lol VIth and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Stormfang nooooooo!!! They created a melta array weapon profile and ruined our 8 melta shot dreams At least I don't feel so bad about building mine with Heavy bolters. Ragnar has gone up to 130 points which I feel is a fair price as he is still very good. 100 points was just a no-brainer to be frank. Filius and TiguriusX 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Stormfang nooooooo!!! They created a melta array weapon profile and ruined our 8 melta shot dreams At least I don't feel so bad about building mine with Heavy bolters. I have been running stormfangs in online tournaments expecting them to get super buffed The Stormfang also lost D2 from the dispersed mode shots All of that combined with the point increase makes me feel meh Probably gonna swap it out and get terminators back in the list instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Looks like armor of russ is gone too ol I just came in to mention that. Snif, snif. Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 5, 2020 Author Share Posted October 5, 2020 Some more notes: There's now a generic rule for Advance & Charge which applies to Thunderwolves and Fenrisian Wolves. We appear to have lost the combined Chaplain/Apothecary role on Wolf Priests for now (Ulrik is missing his Healing Potions and Balms). Wulfen have lost advance and charge, and giving +1A to nearby units. Tempestus Discipline is gone for now, as is any Relic or Strat from our core Codex. No mention of Frost Weapons anywhere other than Helfrost and the Frost Claws on Wulfen. TiguriusX and One Two Wolf 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 After comparing the stormfang and stormwolf...I am pretty sure the stormfang is just filled with errors The main gun says D3 shots when focus mode The stormwolf has flat 2 Maybe the dispersed mode was a bad copy/paste job too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Wulfen changed a ton, always in Assault doctrine and therefore savage fury is pretty cool but losing the potential death frenzy extra attack to essentially insurance is a bummer. I think overall we need to be re-thinking previous unit roles since so much is changing. Im pretty excited still. TiguriusX and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverShire Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Thunder hammers for characters and TWC are 15pts. 16pts for wulfen. 10pts for everyone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Twolves gained swift hunters! Big big win IMO. Filius and ranulf the revenant 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Storm fang with Las, HB went up 55 pts... Stormfang/wolf start at 300 now.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Frost weapons are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Wulfen changed a ton, always in Assault doctrine and therefore savage fury is pretty cool but losing the potential death frenzy extra attack to essentially insurance is a bummer. I think overall we need to be re-thinking previous unit roles since so much is changing. Im pretty excited still. Always in assault, and always counts as having charged for shock assault purposes. Does that mean it triggers the +1 to hit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Wulfen changed a ton, always in Assault doctrine and therefore savage fury is pretty cool but losing the potential death frenzy extra attack to essentially insurance is a bummer. I think overall we need to be re-thinking previous unit roles since so much is changing. Im pretty excited still. Always in assault, and always counts as having charged for shock assault purposes. Does that mean it triggers the +1 to hit? Wulfen appear to be always WS+1 and exploding 6 due to savage fury if pure SW list Their weapons will also get the assault doctrine buff If you can get the glass hammer into position they still hit hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 That makes running a naked wulfen list interesting PeteySödes and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Wulfen changed a ton, always in Assault doctrine and therefore savage fury is pretty cool but losing the potential death frenzy extra attack to essentially insurance is a bummer. I think overall we need to be re-thinking previous unit roles since so much is changing. Im pretty excited still. Always in assault, and always counts as having charged for shock assault purposes. Does that mean it triggers the +1 to hit? And they always get the shock assault attack with exploding 6's. 3 points cheaper too. Lots of great stuff is gone but they are still an interesting unit, i see them as a first wave threat to buffer the main force until T3. I dont think ill be outflanking them anymore, esp since the midfield obj are generally going to be contested almost immediately now and they are gaurenteed to be able to swing. I think we now are a midfield force that has a lot of say in fight order with our HI and judicar type abilities. We'll need to see what the codex brings us (please come back AoR). Its a big change but i think we're still really strong. Were any of the preview vids able to cap the ven dread datasheet? Im curious if we can still kit them up with axe shield. That makes running a naked wulfen list interesting I think we have better ways of bringing mass attacks to bear but yea thats interesting. Edited October 5, 2020 by PeteySödes Triszin and Filius 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuEru Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 http://cognitionandculture.net/wp-content/uploads/pic2450826.jpg Guys, I am sorry. But you all act like this is the end, fully knowing it's just get-you-buy rules till the supplement drops. Which will probably get the usual FAQ/Errata shortly after. Kassill, VIth, Triszin and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Change is hard sometimes, esp when we invest a lot into this hobby. Everyone is allowed to feel however they feel, but we all need to be respectful. Personally even with these changes I 100% believe we're in a better spot than this time last year. Im up for the challenge and lets discuss this without judgement. Fang_Guard23, RikuEru, TiguriusX and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnalbel Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Twolves gained swift hunters! Big big win IMO. And +1W, the bite attack has another -1S and the SS got 3pt cheaper for still the same 45p base points Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Twolves gained swift hunters! Big big win IMO. And +1W, the bite attack has another -1S and the SS got 3pt cheaper for still the same 45p base points Nice spot on the wound! Im sad i just read the T&C attack limit. I suppose i should have guessed. My WL on wolf took out a bloodthirster last game by popping Touch and all those attacks were murder. Edited October 5, 2020 by PeteySödes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Anyone who follows GW and 40k knew a wulfen nerf was coming I personally avoided using them and am glad to see them go. It will probably cause the meta players to drop SW and look elsewhere. That makes me happy too. I honestly hated everyone in 7th running TWC lords and deathstars. /rant Noserenda and VIth 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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