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[Jorin Helm-splitter]

You could use hero of the chapter on an ancient in terminator armor. He isn't named character and is an elite so you could fit in Logan and either Arjac or Njal as the HQs in a vanguard detachment. Still have 5 squads of termies, 2 units of thunderwolves, and some tanks/flyers. Not sure how good it would be, but there definitely is a 2000 point list there.

[Dark Shepherd]

Going by what they did to Beastslayer the wolflord traits are promising

No saga/deed thankfully but its super(fluously) buffed up even if this one doesnt come with an aura

[Ragnar69]

No supplement pre-order next week. I hope we get ours soon as I pull something different from my pile of shame every day. I now have terminators, blade guard, a contemptor and a redemptor assembled and converted but not painted and I think I will now switch over to TWC .... And I will get the new Primaris Techmarine 😬

[Triszin]

soonest our supp or any supp starts to land is beginning of NOV.

 

there are roughly 3 supps/ 1 dex that is landing in nov.

 

likely, 1 book a week in nov.

 

my guess is

 

nov 7 Death watch

nov 14 blood angels

nov 21 death guard

nov 28 wolves

[TiguriusX]

FYI...I just noticed the SM stratagem "Commanding Oratory" for the chaplain lets you auto generate a litany in ANY phase

 

This is currently legal for our wolf priest builds

 

For deep strike charge lists...this means you can use a jump pack or terminator armor to arrive and pop the stratagem the in the charge phase AFTER you arrive for a guaranteed canticle of hate

[Rune Priest Jbickb]

Yeah that strat looks tasty. Helps with the reserve and transport issue for wolf priests

[Dark Shepherd]

soonest our supp or any supp starts to land is beginning of NOV.

there are roughly 3 supps/ 1 dex that is landing in nov.

likely, 1 book a week in nov.

my guess is

nov 7 Death watch
nov 14 blood angels
nov 21 death guard
nov 28 wolves

Ah I thinks thats pessimistic.
IIRC they announced the order and we are before Deathguard.
Also they dont like releasing things the second last weekend of the month because of payday schedules and these supplements esp ours will be big enough, especially if theres a model release alongside it.

Late Nov is normally when they start announcing/hyping the big Christmas boxes too. Am straying out of my comfort zone now but does Thanksgiving affect sales/releases in North America?

[Ragnar69]

I still believe we get it together with the Ragnar Blackmane collectors edition novel scheduled for this month

[Karhedron]

Litany of Hate + Ragnar for rerolls and a lot of Deep Striking Wolf Guard look very tempting...

[TiguriusX]

Litany of Hate + Ragnar for rerolls and a lot of Deep Striking Wolf Guard look very tempting...

I am bringing wulfen axe/shield dreads and murderfang out of reserve with an auto canticle of hate buff

7s rerolling the charge

Just need 1 of them to succeed and most enemies will be annihilated

Then I should be deep in his lines and have HI tricks as a follow up move

[PeteySödes]

I’m a bit concerned that the Orator strat is an oversight. Hope I’m wrong but I think it’s likely to be FAQd.

[Dark Shepherd]

I’m a bit concerned that the Orator strat is an oversight. Hope I’m wrong but I think it’s likely to be FAQd.

I can see them changing it to was already on thr board in command phase, otherwise it goes against everything theyre trying to do with Litanies

[TiguriusX]

They could reword it to a litany that was attempted in the command phase and failed

That would close the loophole and still leave it powerful.

Jump chaplain can still cover a ton of ground so I just modify my plan and carry on

[PeteySödes]

I guess, I just see the strats intention to be a guaranteed success. When you look at the MOS upgrade though I fear the prayer strat in any phase for 1cp is absolutely insane. Again I hope I’m wrong and it’s not like I’m not building my bike Preist

[TiguriusX]

This is my 1st draft new SW list

WL gets rites of war for obsec terminators/characters and angelsis relic

I lob some artillery and defend turn 1 then launch an all out attack when reserves arrive turn 2

Spoiler

Vanguard (-3 CP)
HQ
Master of Sanctity (Wolf Priest)
Jump

Elite
Wulfen Dread Axe/Shield
Wulfen Dread Axe/Shield
Murderfang
Judiciar
Judiciar
Invictor w/ autocannon

Fast Attack
Cyberwolf

Spearhead (-3 CP)
HQ
Chapter master (Wolf Lord)
Jump + Combi-melta + TH

Fast Attack
Cyberwolf
Cyberwolf

Elite
5xWolf Guard Terminators
4xCombi-melta/storm shield + Combi-melta/TH Sgt

Heavy
Eradicator
Relic Whirlwind Scorpius
Eradicator
Relic Whirlwind Scorpius

2000 Total
6 CP

[CrystalSeer]

Is it just me or is a generic MoS better than ulric in pretty much every way?

[PeteySödes]

Ulrik has the better stat line by a not insignificant margin and leadership aura. His auto inspire slayers oath also is pretty nice if you intend on using those stats.

I’d say there’s a place for him in a list that needs something to bridge the support and frontline gap. MOS is the same points for a weaker stat line and aura while ulrik also gets 2 litanies per command. I’m not sure what metric you’re looking at here, maybe I missed something.

Edited by PeteySödes, 13 October 2020 - 12:44 PM.

[Vassakov]

Ulrik also has the MoS keyword as well, so it's possible that come our Supplement he could be given the relevant Warlord Trait.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

He also could receive a better warlord trait. Hopefully on Saturday the mention which supplement is coming first.

[Dark Shepherd]

Apologies if this is too off topic but given the escalating Nurgles Rot situation in the UK but especially in Nottingham youd hope theyd learn from the start of the year or be scared enough by it to speed up releases as much as possible

[dice4thedicegod]

Just keeping fingers crossed for a bit of wulfen strat support in the supplement. All they need is one for advancing and charging , and another for giving fnp (both of which have been created for other factions in the past) and they will be good to go.

[Triszin]

the only thing i hope for is fluffy fun, well balanced rules.

 

- I hope lone wolf strat stays, because that can make a wolf guard blade veteran stupid nasty

[Dark Shepherd]

Just keeping fingers crossed for a bit of wulfen strat support in the supplement. All they need is one for advancing and charging , and another for giving fnp (both of which have been created for other factions in the past) and they will be good to go.

Yeah given how a lot of special rules have gone into strats hopefully they get something like that or an extra attack aura

Agreed on Lone Wolf, so many options for it now to make Super Sergeants

[CrystalSeer]

Ulrik has the better stat line by a not insignificant margin and leadership aura. His auto inspire slayers oath also is pretty nice if you intend on using those stats.

I’d say there’s a place for him in a list that needs something to bridge the support and frontline gap. MOS is the same points for a weaker stat line and aura while ulrik also gets 2 litanies per command. I’m not sure what metric you’re looking at here, maybe I missed something.

 

He has one BS and one AP on his crozius over a standard Primaris chaplain and one wound over a firstborn in power armor.

 

Slayers Oath +  Beastslayer could be better than Wise Orator if the situation ever comes up, but for that to happen you have to:

 

A) Get a move 6" model into combat with a Character or Monster

B.) Early enough in the game that its relevant

C) while ensuring he alone gets the actual kill

 

Unless all of that happens, Litanies still go off on 3+ and you don't get the discount on the auto-cast strat, which will likely come up numerous times.

Edited by CrystalSeer, 14 October 2020 - 04:22 PM.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Apologies if this is too off topic but given the escalating Nurgles Rot situation in the UK but especially in Nottingham youd hope theyd learn from the start of the year or be scared enough by it to speed up releases as much as possible

I have a feeling they already are, but social distancing creates alot of issues for distribution and manufacturing in my experience. Space is at a premium for both and alot the workstations can't be moved with out alot of effort.