Valerian Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Here: https://www.goonhammer.com/october-2020-faq-update-review-space-wolves/ bigtrouble, WrathOfTheLion, Filius and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Good article. I really do like the guys at goonhammer, they do solid reviews. Odd that they put agressors in their list though because that unit has been hit too hard with the nerf bat for me. I'd have gone with a bit more shooting maybe a pair of Whirlwinds to clear some screens and trigger the new fight last strat. Filius 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 All his prior lists are nerfed He was the SW impulsor guy and has to completely change now The anger came through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Two Wolf Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Nothing here that one can't see for themselves if they read the document, and with added salt to boot. TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabulousRex Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I kinda think he greatly undervalues Blood claws. Bs3 is pretty awesome, plasma pistols and meltaguns make them better Assault Intercessors. Now that Impulsor Rush has been knee capped, Rhinos might be back on the menu. Rhinos aren't as good, but they have a very efficient points to wounds/transport capacity. 2 minimum Blood Claw squads in a Rhino can leverage most of our chapter tactics. Thunderwolves are clearly our best midfield Bully unit now. I'm still pretty stunned at how just how much GW did Wulfen dirty. Rune Priest Jbickb 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I do agree about blood claws, started a thread outside this one to discuss them as they really do look quite promising but I dont want to derail this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Good article. I really do like the guys at goonhammer, they do solid reviews. Odd that they put agressors in their list though because that unit has been hit too hard with the nerf bat for me. I'd have gone with a bit more shooting maybe a pair of Whirlwinds to clear some screens and trigger the new fight last strat. I think the flamestorm aggressors actually got a lot better for wolves based on my experience with them. Losing the ability to double tap hurts but with 8" range it wasn't something I ever relied on. It basically feels like they gained extra range and damage 2 fists to makes up for 2 rules that weren't very relevant for them anyways. Karhedron and Rune Priest Jbickb 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I think they were harsh on Wulfen Dreads and Wolf Lords on Thunderwolves, both winners IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Are Impulsors really that bad now? I know they lost a bit but people seem to be saying they've gone from amazing to unplayable, just trying to figure out if that's true or the normal internet polarity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrummersGhost Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Are Impulsors really that bad now? I know they lost a bit but people seem to be saying they've gone from amazing to unplayable, just trying to figure out if that's true or the normal internet polarity? They've definitely taken a hit, losing fly I think probably the most frustrating loss for me personally. But I still intend on taking two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Are Impulsors really that bad now? I know they lost a bit but people seem to be saying they've gone from amazing to unplayable, just trying to figure out if that's true or the normal internet polarity? Personally I think they're still ok, but ok has never been good enough for the competitive crowd. I do think the fact that they're relatively new and have been nerfed twice now is frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Impulsors are still worth taking I think, which means the nerfs were probably justified. The main change that annoys me the most is the Incursor one, with the mine change. They released a kit with that just a year ago, and that little model is useless now. Although it does mean I can probably cannibalize the part to make the little shield generator for some Deathwing Companions in Terminator armor for HH. Edited October 7, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Yeah I get where your coming from WrathOfTheLion it feels liked the primaris unit rules are temporary. I don't mind the nerfs for the most part but I think a point increases on some of these unit options would have made more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay170788 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Impulsors are still worth taking I think, which means the nerfs were probably justified. The main change that annoys me the most is the Incursor one, with the mine change. They released a kit with that just a year ago, and that little model is useless now. Although it does mean I can probably cannibalize the part to make the little shield generator for some Deathwing Companions in Terminator armor for HH. The mine models are still there to be used, it even says that in the new Incursor ruling. Use it to remind you about the mine and then remove it when it has been used. I agree that the rule is worse now as I loved that they could be used to babysit an objective and essentially booby trap it which seems way more fluffy. Just annoying to take now as no one is going to charge them at the risk of losing D3 mortal wounds unless they literally have no other choice ie. daemons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Are Impulsors really that bad now? I know they lost a bit but people seem to be saying they've gone from amazing to unplayable, just trying to figure out if that's true or the normal internet polarity?Personally I think they're still ok, but ok has never been good enough for the competitive crowd. I do think the fact that they're relatively new and have been nerfed twice now is frustrating. I think the problem was Impulsors were, long awaited, but also very O.P/underpointed, so some people bought loads and now their lists/purchases were nerfed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) *** from article *** Ulrik 110 up from 100 which seems kinda crazy since he just has not ever seen play in any meaningful way, and while he is a master of sanctity there is just no real good reason to not take a Primaris wolf priest on bike instead. *** Am I the only SW who uses ulrik now? At 100 points he was a steal I always pick recitation of focus and alternate between catechism of fire or canticle of hate as my 2nd depending on my opponent I am a rare SW that still actually brings ranged units BS 2 scorpius is my basic combo...but when my opponent has no anti aircraft threats I put a BS2 wound roll +1 storm fang gunship in his face (12 HBs with wound +1 tear chunks out of units) Other games I move the canticle of hate bubble forward so my counter charge forces can hit midfield hard He was an accidental addition because I needed to cut points so I downgraded from jump WP Super utility and nice bodyguard for the artillery Edited October 7, 2020 by TiguriusX One Two Wolf 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I've just been running primaris models for a while now, that said Ulrik has always looked like a solid choice. The player that wrote that review seems to be more competitive than anyone on our section of the forum for what it's worth. IIRC he seems to be a big proponent of making secondaries difficult to score against him as part of his list construction so that may limit the characters he is willing to consider. I don't run Logan on the sled but it is cool he got advance and charge. I plan on picking up the biker wolf priest pretty soon (Also want the new primaris Iron priest who strangely didn't get the keyword, and a couple of the new speeders because I think they look amazing.) TiguriusX 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I think it helps to remember goonhammer is only looking through the competitive meta lens. Personally I only really play fluffy to "power fluffy" games where both players don't blindly play meta lists and just bring what they want. We share lists before games to try and keep it balanced. With that kind of criteria in mind I am glad that I can play TWC again in friendly games. I love the models and it is very SW to me to have them on the table. svane jotunsbane, NightHowler, Jorin Helm-splitter and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I think it helps to remember goonhammer is only looking through the competitive meta lens. Personally I only really play fluffy to "power fluffy" games where both players don't blindly play meta lists and just bring what they want. We share lists before games to try and keep it balanced. With that kind of criteria in mind I am glad that I can play TWC again in friendly games. I love the models and it is very SW to me to have them on the table. The ice is cracking, we got him! Jorin Helm-splitter, svane jotunsbane, Bulwyf and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay170788 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 *** from article *** Ulrik 110 up from 100 which seems kinda crazy since he just has not ever seen play in any meaningful way, and while he is a master of sanctity there is just no real good reason to not take a Primaris wolf priest on bike instead. *** Am I the only SW who uses ulrik now? At 100 points he was a steal I always pick recitation of focus and alternate between catechism of fire or canticle of hate as my 2nd depending on my opponent I am a rare SW that still actually brings ranged units BS 2 scorpius is my basic combo...but when my opponent has no anti aircraft threats I put a BS2 wound roll +1 storm fang gunship in his face (12 HBs with wound +1 tear chunks out of units) Other games I move the canticle of hate bubble forward so my counter charge forces can hit midfield hard He was an accidental addition because I needed to cut points so I downgraded from jump WP Super utility and nice bodyguard for the artillery Unfortunately you can't tailor your litanies per opponent now, it needs to be on your army list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Impulsors are still worth taking I think, which means the nerfs were probably justified. The main change that annoys me the most is the Incursor one, with the mine change. They released a kit with that just a year ago, and that little model is useless now. Although it does mean I can probably cannibalize the part to make the little shield generator for some Deathwing Companions in Terminator armor for HH. The mine models are still there to be used, it even says that in the new Incursor ruling. Use it to remind you about the mine and then remove it when it has been used. I agree that the rule is worse now as I loved that they could be used to babysit an objective and essentially booby trap it which seems way more fluffy. Just annoying to take now as no one is going to charge them at the risk of losing D3 mortal wounds unless they literally have no other choice ie. daemons I don't need that to know I have it, my incursor is carrying one already... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TiguriusX Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 *** from article *** Ulrik 110 up from 100 which seems kinda crazy since he just has not ever seen play in any meaningful way, and while he is a master of sanctity there is just no real good reason to not take a Primaris wolf priest on bike instead. *** Am I the only SW who uses ulrik now? At 100 points he was a steal I always pick recitation of focus and alternate between catechism of fire or canticle of hate as my 2nd depending on my opponent I am a rare SW that still actually brings ranged units BS 2 scorpius is my basic combo...but when my opponent has no anti aircraft threats I put a BS2 wound roll +1 storm fang gunship in his face (12 HBs with wound +1 tear chunks out of units) Other games I move the canticle of hate bubble forward so my counter charge forces can hit midfield hard He was an accidental addition because I needed to cut points so I downgraded from jump WP Super utility and nice bodyguard for the artillery Unfortunately you can't tailor your litanies per opponent now, it needs to be on your army list. The T5S2 tournaments allow changing of WL / relic etc. in the muster stage. I have a feeling many other tournaments will rule the same. Pre game locked lists eliminate tons of codex options. If i had a locked list I would use recitation of focus and canticle of hate every game and not worry a bit jay170788 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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