Bat33.1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 What do people think of the Monoliths move to Lord of War? Will the 3 CP price be worth the cost? And a side question the new price? £105 $170 That's not great to my mind as the Necron's now being a starter box army are designed to bring players in, the model is great a big improvement in detail from the old kit but I could imagine little Jonnie's parents looking at the starter and thinking that's ok with the price tiers on offer but what does he get next? That big tank monolith, err maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Jonnie's parents have a glut of other necron things they could buy instead. The monolith would be a great birthday or Christmas gift ;) Ultimately it has shifted to LoW, it is priced as per knights. It is what it is. The more hardcore gamers will pass, many others will get it because it's cool... Edited October 13, 2020 by 01RTB01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostglaive Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Is it worth 3CP in-game and $170 to buy? From what I've heard and seen of its rules, I highly doubt it..... Am I gonna buy one anyways? Heck yeah I am. It's a gorgeous model, and looks like it'd be fun to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Got 2 of the old one... So just buying one of the new I can run a superheavy detachment :) It will look great on the shelf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I'll buy one. Eventually. I have an old one to tide me over for now, so it's probably my last priority of all the new stuff to get. Emicus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Without an Invulnerable save, the Monolith has the same fragility problem it has had for all of 8th. In a friendly game it might be OK but in any competitive setting, it will get shredded very quickly. It's boosted firepower just mean your opponent won't want to let it live. It is overpriced in points and CPs for its durability. Had melta not got quite such a buff in 9th, it might have been viable but I expect to see fast moving MMs a lot so I don't see a Monolith surviving past T2. Better to keep the CPs and spend the points on elsewhere. Nusquam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stupidity Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you need to run 3 LOW to access the dynasty keyword? That means you need to spend like 6cp and < 1000 points to grant then dynasty buffs and access to their deployment stratagems. I'd love to run one Monolith but not if it's crippled. Karhedron and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you need to run 3 LOW to access the dynasty keyword? That means you need to spend like 6cp and < 1000 points to grant then dynasty buffs and access to their deployment stratagems. I'd love to run one Monolith but not if it's crippled. 2 and silent king, then 2 or 3cp for the rest of your army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 You can run one and still get dynasty keyword just not the dynastic codes. In the same vein it can use strats as you select keyword Stupidity 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) Love the model and I think it's worth the price, although it's expensive enough to force me to leave it off the purchasing list for a while. Rules: if it were a heavy support choice, or you could take a single LoW in a battalion it would be great. As currently stands the Monolith will rarely see play (and not necessarily for powergaming reasons) which I think is a pity. Loss of fly on a model that big which moves like a snail (in an edition where boards are packed with terrain) also hurts. Edited October 13, 2020 by Marshal Loss Lord Raven 19 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I have been racking my brain for a way to make this less of a handicap, even for casual/narrative games. It needs to be stationary to deploy troops. So it can't the turn it deesptrikes. The strat is at the beginning of the movement phase so it can't use that either. Unless you deploy it on the table and risk it dying. Which its Titanic so its worth 10VP to kill it. Doubt it will last past turn 2 where the farthest you can deploy something is midfield. So realistically you need to play narrative missions or Crusade so the only thing you sacrifice is 3CP and a trait rather than also giving up 10VP. Even if it were a heavy support it would need at least a 5++ to be usable in matched play. I love the new model, I want the new one, I have an original one, but I don't want to pay that many points just to burn 3CP and give my opponent 10VP to deploy troops midfield when I could have used a nightscythe for more efficiently and have points to spare on Doomsythes/stalkers for my heavy hitting. It doesn't do anything better for its investment other than look really cool. Which some units get away with but their cost isn't as steep. MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Prismatical dimension breach would work when it drops Stupidity and Nusquam 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Oh so it does, I was looking at Dimensional Corridor for start of turn. Still, a nightscythe does it better and cheaper. Its smaller too, which WHC statse the new monolith model is bigger than the old so you're looking at over 6 square inches. You could screen the monolith using the Breach strat at least. Still gives up 10VP on a model your opponents can't ignore; so they have no reason not to take Titan Slayer against it. Single knights are fine becuase they have the invulnerable save to last them. Monolith got better shooting, can shoot in melee, and better melee this edition at least. Even a 1+ save to give it effectively a 5++ would go a long way. It got so many buffs id be liable to just take it anyway if it were a heavy support at least. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 There is no denying the Monolith got buffed. The trouble is that it didn't really get the buffs it needed and shunting it into the LoW category was an indirect nerf. Nusquam and Brother Navaer Solaq 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 The LoW slot for me is the largest issue. If it were heavy support it'd be two ordered. As it stands, still unsure... Running szarekh and two in a heavy detachment and then a battalion is v CP heavy... Nusquam and MithrilForge 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithrilForge Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 This causes me sadness... lets hope down the road when the "NEW" Monolith is dropping in sales they take a look at WHY???... and hopefully change it to a Heavy support slot... Mithril Mr4Minutes and Nusquam 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Is the Monolith the only LOW without an invulnerable save? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) if you include the FW ones, then the pylon has a 5++, seraptek a 5++, obilisk has none, vault has a 4++.I too wonder if they will end up selling less than anticipated. With the rules giving people mixed feelings leaning toward "ehhh", and the price of $170....yeah. We will see. It def put me back. Months ago I was going to get 3. And then after seeing everything else, 2. And now with the price(biggest reason for me) and rules...I'm down to just getting 1. Edited October 14, 2020 by Ahzek451 MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Surely you expected them to be knight priced? I price predicted and expected them to at least be obelisk priced plus a touch more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Surely you expected them to be knight priced? I was expecting close to Knight priced. But I think we have something that is not as tough or as good as a Knight. Is it a superheavy Transport? It can only do that when stationary. Is it a gun platform? It's firepower is adequate but much of it is short ranged and it is not fast. Nor is it tough enough to withstand the attention it will receive. GW tend to overvalue multi-role units on the assumption that they can do all those roles at once. This is true in the case of Knights as they can shoot, charge, stomp, withdraw and then rinese-and-repeat. Using the Monolith in one way restricts its ability in other areas. It's a lovely model and it is powerful but it has several key drawbacks that (for me), make it a unit that can be left behind. Want deployment? A Nightscythe is cheaper and faster. Want firepower? The Necron codex is not exactly short of firepower. Want durability? There are plenty of units that will probably be harder to remove than the 'Lith. MithrilForge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldoth Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I think the biggest downfall to the lith is that you can't get dynasty traits on it without taking a superheavy detachment. If you could then you could at least give it a 6++ for nephrekh or have a chronomancer babysit it for a 5++. Even some of the other traits would be incredibly useful on it. Though, how hilarious would 3 novokh liths be? +1 to charge and have them all running around munching things with their portals :lol: Nusquam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01RTB01 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Chronomancer still can babysit. It can have a dynasty keyword just doesn't get the dynasty rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Is the Monolith the only LOW without an invulnerable save?All Imperial Guard/Navy LoW, no invulnerable saves. I'm just happy I already have 3 monoliths. I'm definitely going to be playing bumper breadboxes for a while, because to hell with boring netlists. Edited October 14, 2020 by Seahawk Karhedron and MithrilForge 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandragola Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 As others have said, it has no invulnerable save and you suffer a totally unjustified CP penalty for bringing it at all. That matters a lot since one of the key reasons for bringing it would be to use a stratagem. The model is awesome. It's going to take real time to paint though now. Personally I'm looking at maybe making a small necron force with my indomitus stuff and I'm afraid I can't see myself buying one of these. It is an awesome model but you can't buy every awesome model GW brings out. Nusquam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plague _Lord Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Come to think of it - drop turn 2, blast something, charge with +1 to charge roll trait and possible cp and destroy something I guess. It's not that hard to focus down the enemy AT on turn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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