TempestBlade Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 How is everyone treating the whole not every RW unit has jink? I was hoping for an errata from GW but still nothing. Maybe if everyone emails them enough they will change it so if you have the Ravenwing keyword you get jink. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 How is everyone treating the whole not every RW unit has jink? I was hoping for an errata from GW but still nothing. Maybe if everyone emails them enough they will change it so if you have the Ravenwing keyword you get jink. Thoughts? I suspect we're stuck until January... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 My suggestion is to agree with your opponent that every DW unit has Inner circle and every RW unit has Jink I think that will be the rule in Supplement BTW i already play wth my friends giving +1 W to CSM/DG/TS/GK as a home rule so they have no problem giving to DA the special rules they deserve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 The Index strikes me as being a sloppy rush job. The Pennant of Remembrance specifically mentions being a bespoke Deathwing Ancient relic, but there's no Deathwing Ancient in the Index, despite the fact GW remembered to put in all the other DW/RW Elite-slot characters, even the RW Ancient, whose banner no one really wants. That's just one of many glaring oversights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 Agreed. They had 1 job to do since we are pushed till next year. Or at least errata the stuff that is messed up rather than saying “it will get fixed in a couple months so screw it.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) The Index strikes me as being a sloppy rush job. The Pennant of Remembrance specifically mentions being a bespoke Deathwing Ancient relic, but there's no Deathwing Ancient in the Index, despite the fact GW remembered to put in all the other DW/RW Elite-slot characters, even the RW Ancient, whose banner no one really wants. That's just one of many glaring oversights. You think that's bad? The Talonmaster can't even take their specific relic. Because the Relics section says VEHICLE units cannot take Relics.... And the Talonmaster is a VEHICLE.... Edited October 17, 2020 by Gederas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Only Black Knights getting Jinl MIGHT be a design choice, not a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I highly doubt that, as there are plenty of edge cases where this doesn't pan out, especially with things like part of the Deathwing command squad being in the base codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I highly doubt that, as there are plenty of edge cases where this doesn't pan out, especially with things like part of the Deathwing command squad being in the base codex. Well, consider this:ç it is possible tha plan is to make BK and DW termies really paragons in their class but to give support to other DW/RV units ( bikes, Bladeguard, speeders) with stratagems tied to the keyword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I highly doubt that, as there are plenty of edge cases where this doesn't pan out, especially with things like part of the Deathwing command squad being in the base codex. Well, consider this:ç it is possible tha plan is to make BK and DW termies really paragons in their class but to give support to other DW/RV units ( bikes, Bladeguard, speeders) with stratagems tied to the keyword. Yeah, I mean, you can still use all Ravenwing Stratagems on a Ravenwing Bike or a Ravenwing Landspeeder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) I mean.... It'd suddenly change several editions worth of gameplay. Consistent abilities mind you. That and I think a lot of people would be annoyed because it'd mean that Ravenwing (outside of the ones in the FAQ) basically don't benefit from either the Dark Angels Chapter Tactic or Ravenwing Jink, so why even take them? Edited October 17, 2020 by Gederas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 They have a bunch of new models for RW/DW that they want you to buy. I'm pretty certain those will get the cool rules too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 I mean.... It'd suddenly change several editions worth of gameplay. Consistent abilities mind you. That and I think a lot of people would be annoyed because it'd mean that Ravenwing (outside of the ones in the FAQ) basically don't benefit from either the Dark Angels Chapter Tactic or Ravenwing Jink, so why even take them? Because their stratagems are still the best in the chapter. Because they still have the best toughness, wounds, mobility amd maneuverability of the entire chapter. Because they still have Bolter Discipline. Because they still pack the best amount of Plasma around. I mean, c'mon... Ravenwing IS the best wing of the Chapter, regardless of Jink. That hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted October 17, 2020 Author Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) They have a bunch of new models for RW/DW that they want you to buy. I'm pretty certain those will get the cool rules too. But none of the new stuff gets jink either! Nope for outriders, speeder storm or atvs Edited October 17, 2020 by TempestBlade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 That's because the rule isn't in Codex: Space Marines and we have a temp index. If in a few weeks we see Space Wolves apply the Blood Claw ability to all base units with the blood claw keyword, then we know how it'll work in our book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 That's because the rule isn't in Codex: Space Marines and we have a temp index. If in a few weeks we see Space Wolves apply the Blood Claw ability to all base units with the blood claw keyword, then we know how it'll work in our book. If they give the jink to some units they will give it to all including firstborn units too cause they all get RW keyword in the base SM codex And the same goes for the units that get DW keyword in base SM codex and the Inner circle rule If they will give jink only to outriders who will ever buy them that are 3 men fixed squads without option compared to the much more versatile RWBK that they unlock you slot free characters and are an elite unit meaning they dont enter in competition for the much more useful DS for FA slots? the reply is nobody Invaders and Storm Speeders can be a decent JINK sosbstitute compared to the firstborn LS and Attack Bike but the Storm Speeder has a big competitor in RW with the LSV that is the same kind of unit (one speeder single model unit) and had a very good upgrade in rules with the new wargear (enhanced HB and Plasma Battery) and having less than 10 W it will not suffer the decrease of its stats when starting to lose wounds so in the new RW units only the Invader would be a real winner in case the firstborn RW units will not get JINK But i am pretty sue that in the final supplement the JINK rule (and IC rule for DW) will be written along these lines: "if a model of your Dark Angels army has the ravenwing keyword it also gains the JINK rule" ValourousHeart 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 Absolutely, that's exactly how I see it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I'd be surprised if we get an Errata to our FAQ index. I don't think the image in the WHC article for the January codices is our new codex cover, instead it was a generic Imperial and non-Imperial image. Hopefully we get our supplement in January, but February or March won't kill me. Once we have our codex supplement, I believe that most all of our concerns will be addressed. And we will have the best fast attack army composition in the game. Gederas and G8Keeper 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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