Jump to content

Welcome to The Bolter and Chainsword
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!
Photo

Possible changes in the new codex.

- - - - - speculation

  • Please log in to reply
123 replies to this topic

#101
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

Also am I being forgetful, or did he have W7 in the 8th 'dex?

Nope, had 6 in both the index and the codex


  • Raktra likes this

rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#102
Plague _Lord

Plague _Lord

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 220 posts
  • Location:Poland
  • Faction: CSM

I hate this change to our terminator armour. It's not like blightlords were invincible or anything. Their main strength was toughness (if no to for flails their damage output would be meagre) and now I see they are taking that away. There are a lot more DMG 3 weapons in the game now and I'm betting we are just goin to see more.

 

What I do like is the change to the MBH - I used them solo anyway so if they lose trilobed but gain a native 3+ bs I will be a happy camper indeed!


  • Bulwyf likes this

Armies:

40k: Deathguard, Steel Legion, Word Bearers, Space wolves, Necrons

WFB: Night goblins, Empire, Dark Elves


#103
Putrid Choir

Putrid Choir

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 639 posts

I hate this change to our terminator armour. It's not like blightlords were invincible or anything. Their main strength was toughness (if no to for flails their damage output would be meagre) and now I see they are taking that away. There are a lot more DMG 3 weapons in the game now and I'm betting we are just goin to see more.

What I do like is the change to the MBH - I used them solo anyway so if they lose trilobed but gain a native 3+ bs I will be a happy camper indeed!



If Deathshroud and blightlords go to 5++, I'm fine with it if it is reflected in the point cost, because they were over costed for most of last edition. It's too early to doom and gloom, our new legion trait could be strong and the old 4++ would have been too much. Typhus will stay at 4++, like every other chaos lord minus Lucius.

Daemon engines going to 3+ is very nice, considering most vehicles lose the core keyword.
  • Marshal Loss, Metzombie and byrd9999 like this

#104
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

Yeah as usual I agree with PC. In isolation, this sounds like a horrible change, and one I'm less than thrilled with (to put it mildly). But the switch from 8th to 9th is turning out to be rather tumultuous in terms of its impact, broadly speaking; other abilities may well make up for the nerf, and ultimately at the end of the day points decide whether a unit is going to be useful or not. We've gotta sit tight and hope for the best.

 

In principle though, I am very unhappy that they have removed what made Cataphractii unique.


  • Bulwyf and Iron Sage like this

rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#105
TrawlingCleaner

TrawlingCleaner

    ++ CLOACARIUS RETICULUM ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 1,069 posts
  • Location:UK

All we know is that Typhus has a 5" move, with the amount of mistakes the space marine and Necron lot had it wouldn't surprise me that his move has not changed.

The relic terminators changed because they combined the two types, I don't see why ours would change as they're (supposedly) only Cataphracti

Until we've seen te actual codex entries I'll be taking everything with a healthy dose of salt



#106
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

All we know is that Typhus has a 5" move, with the amount of mistakes the space marine and Necron lot had it wouldn't surprise me that his move has not changed.

The relic terminators changed because they combined the two types, I don't see why ours would change as they're (supposedly) only Cataphracti

Until we've seen te actual codex entries I'll be taking everything with a healthy dose of salt

The actual number of errors in the SM & Necron boxsheets tend to be wildly overblown. By and large they were overwhelmingly accurate and from memory none of the statlines were wrong, only a few of the weapon profiles.

 

Our new Lord of Virulence is in Indomitus (edit: just checked, definitely Indomitus), so we're no longer just "the Cataphractii Legion", which may well be reflective of our Cataphractii being changed to be in line with the SM book. Expecting suits of armour to do different things in different books is like expecting a vanilla CSM boltgun to be different from a vanilla SM boltgun; possible, but very unlikely.

 

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on the change to a 5++/+1M/no halving advance, but we'll just have to wait and see for now


Edited by Marshal Loss, 26 November 2020 - 01:26 PM.

  • Iron Sage likes this

rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#107
jgascoine011

jgascoine011

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 297 posts

The fact that there have been no previews so far is really frustrating



#108
TrawlingCleaner

TrawlingCleaner

    ++ CLOACARIUS RETICULUM ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 1,069 posts
  • Location:UK

 

All we know is that Typhus has a 5" move, with the amount of mistakes the space marine and Necron lot had it wouldn't surprise me that his move has not changed.

The relic terminators changed because they combined the two types, I don't see why ours would change as they're (supposedly) only Cataphracti

Until we've seen te actual codex entries I'll be taking everything with a healthy dose of salt

The actual number of errors in the SM & Necron boxsheets tend to be wildly overblown. By and large they were overwhelmingly accurate and from memory none of the statlines were wrong, only a few of the weapon profiles.

 

Our new Lord of Virulence is in Indomitus (edit: just checked, definitely Indomitus), so we're no longer just "the Cataphractii Legion", which may well be reflective of our Cataphractii being changed to be in line with the SM book. Expecting suits of armour to do different things in different books is like expecting a vanilla CSM boltgun to be different from a vanilla SM boltgun; possible, but very unlikely.

 

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on the change to a 5++/+1M/no halving advance, but we'll just have to wait and see for now

 

Errors are errors IMO, it's easy enough to make a mistake in these boxes. For me I won't get too excited until we've seen the codex. Hype is the mind killer after all(even though I'm incredibly hyped for the codex).

He's definitely in Indomitus and the Blightlord kit is majority mixed marks, I'd much rather they had a rule called "Armoured bulk" or something similar instead of a Cataphracti rule but still did the same thing.

 

I imagine we'll get a preview a week before it goes on pre-order as they've done with all others and are doing with BA atm



#109
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

The Blightlords are all Cataphractii, some have a single Indomitus shoulder but every leg/torso/arm etc is all undoubtedly Cata. Doesn't meet the criteria for mixed pattern (if we go by the lore in HH's black books). The bulk rule you describe would be really cool though & makes sense.

 

But yeah, that's fair. Either way, the datasheets from the boxes don't tell us any of the things we really want to know :P (what's happening to DR, Terminator saves, etc). Just have to hope that GW announce this Sunday we're getting a December 5 preorder


rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#110
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

SaNAnkm.png

 

+1 WS & BS, +1 Attack, -1 Wound (no degrading stats)

Weapon changes
Fleshmower -1S (no idea on bonus attacks due to simplified sheet)
Heavy Blight Launcher +1AP, 2D instead of D3
Plaguespitter gets 12" range and fixed S6

Probe (its default melee weapon) lowered from D3 damage to 1D


Edited by Marshal Loss, 26 November 2020 - 03:38 PM.

  • Iron Sage and Putrid Choir like this

rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#111
Zombs

Zombs

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 148 posts

Interesting, depending on point cost, we will see how it turns out. Still happy there is some incentive on taking anything other than spitters now.


  • Putrid Choir likes this

#112
Iron Sage

Iron Sage

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 1,351 posts
  • Location:Norway

Interesting, depending on point cost, we will see how it turns out. Still happy there is some incentive on taking anything other than spitters now.

Mmm, spitters needs help and has needed help for quite some time I would argue. I run two spitters, or have tried to run two several times and they simply don't do enough for the points. 3 more range while helpful, is still not enough since it is not dangerous enough for current point cost compared to other drone variants (little use having a distraction carnifex if it is not dangerous enough for the opponent to bother with targeting).

To be frank, I do not expect to be running my two spitter drones this edition. Not unless they have some new bonus rule or a significantly lower points cost (155 is obscene when you compare it to the tresher and blight luncher, both of which do a lot, lot more for the points) compared to the other variants. I agree that the spitters were good in 8th though.

But in 9th they need either a big points help or some new rule. I don't think they will get either personally. Currently it is tanky, but not killy enough for the points to force opponents into shooting at it it as it stands, and +1 WS and +1 attack will do little for the spitter variant, as the unit will lose most CCs badly without the tresher anyway.



#113
Plague _Lord

Plague _Lord

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 220 posts
  • Location:Poland
  • Faction: CSM
The fleshmower 1 looks great, while I think tve heavy launcher variant might see play.

The lack of degrading is the best change.
  • Iron Sage and Putrid Choir like this

Armies:

40k: Deathguard, Steel Legion, Word Bearers, Space wolves, Necrons

WFB: Night goblins, Empire, Dark Elves


#114
jgascoine011

jgascoine011

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 297 posts

Would possibly make 2 of them viable if arch contaminator is still a thing. They would actually (just) be able to kill a rhino now....amazing



#115
Plaguecaster

Plaguecaster

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 3,049 posts
  • Location:New Zealand
  • Faction: Death Guard

Would possibly make 2 of them viable if arch contaminator is still a thing. They would actually (just) be able to kill a rhino now....amazing

It'll only be the new hq that will affect them now not arch contaminator since they won't have the core keyword
So it all comes down to what actual aura he will have
Nurgle Abominarions: A Host of Decay Revived for 8th​.
UPDATED 29/07/17

#116
Putrid Choir

Putrid Choir

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 639 posts

Would possibly make 2 of them viable if arch contaminator is still a thing. They would actually (just) be able to kill a rhino now....amazing

It'll only be the new hq that will affect them now not arch contaminator since they won't have the core keyword
So it all comes down to what actual aura he will have

Well it all comes down to if arch contaminator uses the core keyword too. It might not still.

#117
jgascoine011

jgascoine011

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 297 posts

Is the DG codex going out for pre-orders this weekend?

I have not heard a thing from GW about it



#118
TrawlingCleaner

TrawlingCleaner

    ++ CLOACARIUS RETICULUM ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 1,069 posts
  • Location:UK

This weekend the preorders for the BA codex and all the Christmas boxes go up, DG might go up for preorder next weekend (they would tell us on this Sunday if that were the case)

They said it'll go up for preorder in December, they're likely to get some of the other game systems preorders up next weekend then DG the weekend after.



#119
firestorm40k

firestorm40k

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 1,051 posts
  • Location:Suffolk, UK
  • Faction: Legion of Taurus

This weekend the preorders for the BA codex and all the Christmas boxes go up, DG might go up for preorder next weekend (they would tell us on this Sunday if that were the case)
They said it'll go up for preorder in December, they're likely to get some of the other game systems preorders up next weekend then DG the weekend after.

There are two articles that a have gone up on WarCom today about Warhammer Underworlds, one explicitly states that that will be up for pre-order in December; given the focus they're giving that game now, I expect that'll be the preorder announced this Sunday evening (29th, preorder 5th December).

Based on that, the Death Guard 'dex should be up for preorder 12th (all being well). This makes sense to me, as I can see how GW would want to alternate releases for systems, seeing as BA are this weekend.
My Chaos Marine project log, the (infamous!) Legion of Taurus: http://www.bolterand...arine-army-log/

#120
Plague _Lord

Plague _Lord

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 220 posts
  • Location:Poland
  • Faction: CSM

Good LORD pur possessed get T5, plague weapons and 4 attacks + whatever new rules are comming (romrseless and contagious). just... wow.


  • firestorm40k and Iron Sage like this

Armies:

40k: Deathguard, Steel Legion, Word Bearers, Space wolves, Necrons

WFB: Night goblins, Empire, Dark Elves


#121
Marshal Loss

Marshal Loss

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 4,801 posts
  • Location:New York
  • Faction: Emperor's Children

Article link

 

If flails get kept as is, the extra boost on plagues is going to be fantastic for melee units. Will help to make other weapons like cleavers get more use as well which will be great to see


  • firestorm40k and Iron Sage like this

rCsoqE7.png

Emperor's Children 22ᶮᵈ Millennial

Sons of Horus 29th Company


#122
Gundric

Gundric

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 44 posts
  • Location:Old Albia.
  • Faction: White Scars, Death Guard.

That is going to make us extremely flexible indeed.


Edited by Gundric, Today, 03:14 PM.

  • Iron Sage likes this

#123
Putrid Choir

Putrid Choir

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 639 posts
I'm excited. I wonder if they buffed Plague Marines because they are losing DR on the datasheet but DR is becoming the legion trait? Would be a cool way to get it on everything without spending command points.
  • Iron Sage and Gundric like this

#124
Tallarn Commander

Tallarn Commander

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 862 posts
  • Location:Kirkland, WA (US)
The increase in the number of Possessed attacks makes me happy.

My Chaos Blog (Night Lords, World Eaters, Renegades & Heretics)    http://www.bolterand...ds-vs-tallarns/

 

My Imperial Guard Blog (Tallarn 23rd)   http://www.bolterand...larn-23rd-blog/

 

gallery_30308_9518_8793.jpggallery_30308_9518_10060.jpgCall_of_Chaos_11_Banner_01b.jpgETL_VI_Banner_Primus_Interpares_Chaos.jp






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: speculation

4 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 3 guests, 1 anonymous users