phoenix01 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Do not read if you don't want your whole view of the Ultramarines to change. https://www.polygon.com/comics/2020/11/11/21560885/warhammer-40000-marneus-calgar-2-review Marvel's Warhammer 40,000 comic is taking a big risk with an iconic hero. WARNING: What follows contains major spoilers for Warhammer 40,000: Marneus Calgar #2 Somehow, writer Gillen has gotten the greenlight from Games Workshop to turn [the backstory of the Ultramarines] on its head. In the final pages of Marneus Calgar #2, he reveals that Marneus Calgar - currently chapter master of the Ultramarines, the high mucka mucka of the Smurfs - is an imposter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosjetka Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 You left out quite an important bit: "Millennia ago, during his childhood training on one of the harshest moons orbiting his home planet, Marneus Calgar was killed — stabbed through the heart by an agent of the gods of Chaos. The only witness to his death was his serf and servant, a young boy named Tacitus, who took his name. It’s a poke in the eye to the squeaky-clean image of the Ultramarines, and injects a bit of class warfare into the largely feudalistic futuristic dark age. In my opinion, it’s one of the most exciting things to happen in the 40K universe in years." Allart01, Slave to Darkness, clumsy_explorer and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywrath Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Oh boy, Alpha Legion shenanigans incoming? Warhead01 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 That's a pretty cool twist. I might actually pick this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 It's not really your whole view of the UM's, just one character. Dante got this treatment a few years ago in his book by Haley. Sandlemad, roryokane and Tymell 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I actually really like this. It's an interesting change to a long-loved character. It bodes well for future comics in the Marvel x Games Workshop relationship as well if the latter feels confident enough to trust the former with these sorts of things. The dig at making Ultramarines "interesting" is kinda shoddy though, imo. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Bit of an odd decision, but fair enough. To be honest, I don't see that this really changes anything. At root, the only difference is that the man named Calgar is not the scion of a family that – as far as I'm aware – we've never heard mention of before anyway. Tacitus still did all the heroic things Calgar is known for. Calgar's background has been entirely rewritten at least once before – I always thought going back to the limbless and traumatised original would have been a more interesting direction than the archetypal direction he has been pushed towards since 2nd. The dig at making Ultramarines "interesting" is kinda shoddy though, imo. Yes, agreed. I don't find the Ultramarines boring. Edited November 12, 2020 by apologist librisrouge, Tymell, Lexington and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Seems kind of stupid to me, but not stupid enough to really have anything negative to say about it. Indifferent is the right word. It being the most exciting thing to happen is years is a ridiculous overstatement however. I think how they handled Dante is much more interesting. Edited November 12, 2020 by WrathOfTheLion MARK0SIAN, Redrandy93, Doghouse and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apologist Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Seems kind of stupid to me, but not stupid enough to really have anything negative to say about it. Indifferent is the right word. It being the most exciting thing to happen is years is a ridiculous overstatement however. Yeah, more than a touch of hyperbole, isn't there? The whole article's a bit like that. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I don't really see that this: It’s a poke in the eye to the squeaky-clean image of the Ultramarines, and injects a bit of class warfare into the largely feudalistic futuristic dark age. ...really follows from the material revealed. Perhaps there's something more along those lines within the comic, but at the moment it just looks like the author of the article's reading too much into it. Is the Imperium really feudalistic? Certainly some worlds are, but I wouldn't say that most of the focal characters come from privileged backgrounds – quite the opposite, in fact. A wry look at class warfare has been present from the very outset of the universe – just look at Confrontation's brats and scavvies; or Rogue Trader itself. Sandlemad, Tymell and nanosquid 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 While something different I really don't think it changes anything at all. The problem for me is as far as I know is that this the first look at his youth so it has no impact for me. He's still the same guy we always knew and changes nothing really. It's not really a gotcha twist like he has died in battle countless times and is replaced each time by a successor who takes the name and mantle. That for me would be a jaw dropper, that his exploits were the result of five or six different Astartes.It's just the prince and pauper really, nothing overly original. Scribe, Tipsy Techpriest and Tymell 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 How does this change anything? Post becoming a marine is what defines the character. I don't see the big deal. emperorpants, Slave to Darkness, Tipsy Techpriest and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Seems like a superfluous change to me, Praetor of Dorn did it better and Calgar not being his real name adds nothing to the character or the story, he already is an heroic figure so what does honoring his master does for it that wasnt already part of his character before? The description makes it sound more important or impactful then it is but I guess thats advertisement. Tymell 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Carnelian Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Considering I'm one of the crazy conspiracy theorists who believes Calgar deliberately committed the 1st Company to an indefensible position in the Battle for Macragge so he could remake the 1st Company of the Chapter, I feel this revelation is a little on the tame side. Doghouse, Detjan and Slave to Darkness 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 "Does this shocking reveal not change everything you believed about the Ultramarines, and, indeed, the entire Warhammer 40,000 universe?!?" "...not really, no.""Ah! Well. Nevertheless." Tymell, nanosquid, RolandTHTG and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Marshal Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) I can't be the only one who saw the surf twist coming?Either (Real) Calgar would have to kill/sacrifice him to succeed, or the surf would take his identity. I admittedly banked on the former more so, but still. Edited November 12, 2020 by Lord Marshal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I'm assuming this is about the Marvel comic? I won't read the spoiler as I plan on ordering the books as a compilation. But if so, this isn't really industry news, or rumour of releases, etc. If that's the case this really should to to the Black Library where it can be properly discussed. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 seems fine, as others said, it doesn't really change anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Alan Partridge shrug GIF Tymell 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tymell Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 As others say, I don't dislike this, but I can't say it really changes anything (and to suggest, as the article does, that this is some kind of world-shattering revelation is silly). The Ultramarines are still exactly as they were, and to be honest, so is Calgar. Everything we know and care about comes from after the event revealed. Calgar is still exactly the same person, we just have a bit more fleshing out of his history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Is the Imperium really feudalistic? Nah, its just a decentralised caesaro-papist pyramidal hegemony with noble houses and decadent cardinals where autonomous fortresses full of warrior monks are the most effective military force and where trade is handled by adventuring families with no long distance stock markets and investor class in sight. Edited November 12, 2020 by Closet Skeleton Arkangilos, firestorm40k, Lord Marshal and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Scrymgeour Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Is the Imperium really feudalistic? Nah, its just a decentralised caesaro-papist pyramidal hegemony with noble houses and decadent cardinals where autonomous fortresses full of warrior monks are the most effective military force and where trade is handled by adventuring families with no long distance stock markets and investor class in sight. I'm stealing this for the blurb of my new book Magos Valkamar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilhomer Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 This has the potential to get a bit politicsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucerne Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 This honestly gives Calgar a reason to still exist. A hero with imposter syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) I guess i need to spoiler this? So back when Calgar was a nobody, he was killed(by a chaos worshipper) and then replaced by another young nobody who took his name. Meaning every exploit by "Calgar" since then was done by the person who'd taken the name "Calgar". I'm sorry but this changes nothing. Unless you think the name Calgar had any meaning from before "Calgar's childhood training". Also, Millenia ago? Plural? so he's several thousand years old? I thought Dante was the oldest and he hadn't hit 2000 yet. Edited November 12, 2020 by Reinhard Redrandy93 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 It is also not a "secret" in-world, at least in the Calgar estates; we see a plaque and statue commemorating the 12-year old hero's demise. Sandlemad and Morovir 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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