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DA 2000pts, striking a compromise


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so this is me... gritting my teeth and putting up with ravenwing much to my disagreement, not without compromise but i still have point leftover so if anyone has any ideas, i will hear them out. currently thats a total of 211pts to spend still

 

battalion detachment, dark angels, 2000pts

 

relics of the chapter -1 cp

 

HQ:

 

rhino primaris (94)

 

sammael, (150) (warlord and so brilliant strategist)

 

troops:

 

1x5 assault intercessors, sgt with hand flamer and power sword (105)

 

1x5 intercessors (100)

 

1x5 intercessors, sgt with power sword (105)

 

fast:

 

1x6 bike squad, sgt with power sword, 1 plasma gun (195)

 

1x3 inceptors (120)

 

elite:

 

contemptor dreadnaught, multi melta

 

1x5 deathwing terminators, cml, 2 th/ss, th/ss sgt, 1 cf (230)

 

ravenwing apothecary, angels ambit (100)

 

ravenwing champion, chapter champion, artificers armor

 

 

heavy:

 

1x3 eradicator squad (120)

 

gladiator reaper, autolaunchers (235)

 


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It looks good for a tri-wing list.  For 210 you could drop in a Dark Talon.  Otherwise I'd look at a Chaplain of any sort to improve the impact that those DW models will have and a unit of Heavy Intercessors.



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It looks good for a tri-wing list. For 210 you could drop in a Dark Talon. Otherwise I'd look at a Chaplain of any sort to improve the impact that those DW models will have and a unit of Heavy Intercessors.

what about migrating a th/ss and making a duplicate terminator squad for 2th/ss, 2 cml, 2 cf

Alternatively what about some other kind of elite infantry like relic terminators or company veterans

Edited by aura_enchanted, 16 November 2020 - 06:56 PM.

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It looks good for a tri-wing list. For 210 you could drop in a Dark Talon. Otherwise I'd look at a Chaplain of any sort to improve the impact that those DW models will have and a unit of Heavy Intercessors.

what about migrating a th/ss and making a duplicate terminator squad for 2th/ss, 2 cml, 2 cf

Alternatively what about some other kind of elite infantry like relic terminators or company veterans

I'm not feeling the Rhino Primaris.  It would be one thing if you were covering an HQ slot and getting a transport out of it, but nobody can ride in it.  Personally I'd work this problem from the other direction, find a unit that makes the list better and then if that unit needs a transport I'd consider the Rhino Primaris as a way of covering the required HQ in the Battalion.

 

The extra terminator squad could be usefull, but that breaks your Highlander theme (assuming that was intentional).  Personally I like redundancy in my lists, so I usually plan for 2 of each unit that is needed to deal with my army's weakness.  For my elite lists that tends to be hoards which I struggle against, not armor or elite infantry.

 

I don't much care for relic terminators, they don't look that interesting to me visually.  Company Veterans could be interesting, but they aren't going to keep up with any of your characters who all have a move of 14", so is the cost of their bodyguard rule worth it over other options.

 

Infiltrators, Eliminators, Suppressors, Scouts and Reivers all offer advanced disruption opportunities that your list doesn't currently have.  As does a Phobos Librarian.

 

For about the cost of the contemptor dread, you could instead have 2 Invader ATVs and make use of the Apothecary shanagans, and have a lot more Melta damage output.  Dropping the RW Champion you can get a 3rd ATV ensuring that you get to pull off the Apothecary shanagans.  Plus your RW elements aren't very good in assault, except for Sammie.  If you were running black knights it might be a little different.



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I'm running the champion to compliment Sam and the raven apothecary, the apothecary isn't good at melee and hes going to be going place to place reviving and restoring warriors, they won't always be in a place of protection because of this. And the champion has the armor to help offset some of the danger and the melee weapon to at least buy time for him to get away, and in Sam's case he has the melee strength and range but only initially after he loses his charge bonus his melee is less significant, and this will help him handle trash charges.

In the case of the rhino primaris, what you need to understand is that hes a SECOND orbital strike, thats really strong, as the orbital strike is a stratagem now and you get that one, and the primaris rhino has his own as well. And if I'm not going too thats fine but I can use him to call down the deathwing terminators when I want and where I want with combined assault to drop them onto sammael, or the apothecary, or the champion.

Then we have his servo skull hub which lets me shoot the gladiator at bs2 while moving, or the inceptors, or the intercessors, and the deathwing terminators move to weapon skill 2 with rerolls around sammael. Which is huge, and for 95 points thats a bargain, its not limited and while I don't make a huge use of it, thats still a fair amount of flexibility worth consideration.

Your right im not using it as a transport, but its also only a rhino, not exactly built for punishment and so my plan is to play hide the rhino, for as long as I can until I've expended his air drop or orbital fire
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I'm a big fan of the Damocles Command Rhino because of our Deathwing warlord trait Watched. The CP generation needs the warlord inside, so you need a warlord who is valuable even without auras or mind bullets. It bundles in the extra orbital strike, and the models are so perfectly counts-as for each other!

I think a Librarian is our cheapest access to the Deathwing keyword, and of course, take this in light of the impending codex supplement.

I'm very disappointed to see how the relic Terminators were treated rules-wise. I hope dearly they get some love from our first company in the new book.

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I'm a big fan of the Damocles Command Rhino because of our Deathwing warlord trait Watched. The CP generation needs the warlord inside, so you need a warlord who is valuable even without auras or mind bullets. It bundles in the extra orbital strike, and the models are so perfectly counts-as for each other!

I think a Librarian is our cheapest access to the Deathwing keyword, and of course, take this in light of the impending codex supplement.

I'm very disappointed to see how the relic Terminators were treated rules-wise. I hope dearly they get some love from our first company in the new book.

we shall see, the damocled isn't bad, I've seen a few people suggest it before, and its not like I lack the model hmmm

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Made some changes, dumped the gladiator and the rhino primaris,

Went with a foot interrogator who can move and support the troops choices with his litanies,

I swapped the contemptor for the redemptor dread with macro plasma, onslaught cannon, storm bolters

I replaced the gladiator with a squad of relic terminators with lightning claws, storm bolters, and then went with the plasma blaster and autocannon


Then had a few loose points so I stuffed plasma pistols and power swords where I could get away with it.

New list looks like so

Hq (240):

Sammael, warlord and brilliant strategist (150)

Interrogator chaplain, catechism of fire, plasma pistol (90)

Troops (315):

Intercessors 1x5, one aux launcher, power sword sgt. (110)

Assault intercessors 1x5, hand flamer and power sword sgt (105)

Assault intercessors, power sword sgt (100)


Fly:

Dark talon (210)

Heavy:

Eradicators 1x3 (135)

Elite:

Redemptor dreadnaught, Marco plasma, onslaught galling canon, 2 storm bolters, icarus rockets (185)

Deathwing terminator squad 1x5, th/ss sgt, 2 th/ss, 1 cf, 1 cml (230)

Relic terminator squad 1x5, 5 LCS, 3 combi bolters, 1 grenade harness, 1 reaper autocannon, 1 plasma blaster ( 185)

Ravenwing apothecary (100), plasma talon, angels ambit

Ravenwing champion, chapter champion, artificers armor (85 -1 cp)

Fast:
1x5 marine bikers, 3 chainswords, 1 plasma gun, 1 power sword on sgt (165)

1x3 inceptors (135)

There we go, I think the inceptors are kind of dead now, but maybe someone can recommend an alternative use for 135points, or a way to drop the 30 i need to get them plasma incinerators

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What about Suppressors?

Same deep strike/movement, some Autocannons for a bit of punch and will help the rest of those combat units disrupt overwatch against them...

Cheaper and less 'priority 1 that Inceptors become...

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What about Suppressors?

Same deep strike/movement, some Autocannons for a bit of punch and will help the rest of those combat units disrupt overwatch against them...

Cheaper and less 'priority 1 that Inceptors become...

how do u even buy suppressors anyway


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What about Suppressors?

Same deep strike/movement, some Autocannons for a bit of punch and will help the rest of those combat units disrupt overwatch against them...

Cheaper and less 'priority 1 that Inceptors become...

how do u even buy suppressors anyway

Lol I didn't promise to have all the answers Aura 😋




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