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Long Fangs...the ultimate swiss army knife...SW exclusive


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I just discovered this while fiddling around with our codex

 

 

We all know Long Fangs can hunt vehicles like their devastator cousins

 

5 multi meltas and an armorium cherub are a standard takeaway from our new codex

 

8 BS3 shots and 4 BS2 shots with the multi-meltas...I have been using this out of a drop pod and it is a nice combo

 

 

 

But did you know for a small investment you can turn your hard hitting anti tank unit into a horde killer at the same time?

 

Add a Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader with an assault cannon

 

Give signum and cherub to the terminator when firing

 

12 shots at BS2 (use keen senses if you moved) S6 AP1 D1

 

You still have those 10 BS3 multi melta shots you can fire at whatever else is in the area as well

 

 

 

 

9th edition Long Fangs no longer have innate rerolls of 1...but they have new tricks like this at their disposal

 

 

 

What crazy ideas have others come up with?


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Unfortunately, I don't think Terminators can ride Drop Pods... so, if you include a TDA Pack Leader, then they have to ride a Land Raider, Stormraven, or come in via Outflank.
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Unfortunately, I don't think Terminators can ride Drop Pods... so, if you include a TDA Pack Leader, then they have to ride a Land Raider, Stormraven, or come in via Outflank.


The terminator combo doesn't need a drop pod. That was the non terminator usage

Just outflank for 1 CP to any board edge if you use the terminator
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One thing though: if you aren't using your LFs on turn 1 via drop pods, you are giving up the usefulness of the doctrine for the rest of the game. That's one of the crazy issues with eradicators. They are at their strongest when they are outflanked, hitting with AP-5 on round 2.



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Do you really need ap -5 though? It just seems like most vehicles/important targets already have an invulnerable save.
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I don't quite get the 12 Assault Cannon shots?


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It’s six as normal, then fired again using the Armorium Cherub.
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Only the enemies of the Imperium need fear the fangs of Russ' sons! Well, ok, the enemies of the Imperium, the Adminstratum and the Dark angels and...you get the picture, right?


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Ah, yeah; I'm still not used to the cherub :D


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Plasma cannon is always a nice combo, especially now that it can be flat 3 and blast. Plasma Inceptors can do more shots at leas strength but the fire twice on BS 2+ is pretty solid.
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It's not really specific to Long Fangs, but you can use a combination of Wolf Priest a couple drop pods of Grey Hunters with Wolf Standards. Wolf Priest gets to use canticles of hate and could have the hunter trait, you could use the aura of majesty instead to increase the litany range and to make nearby units fearless. you can use commanding oratory to get the Canticles to go off so that the grey hunters can charge, +2 to charge roll + Standards Reroll 1's to charge and advance rolls, this increases the chances of a 1st turn alpha strike combined with TWC and Fenrisian Wolves utilizing pack hunter strat would allow for rapid response from overwhelming support units


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That is a neat combo. I had been thinking of the WGPL in TDA as just a bullet catcher but the AC really does improve the versatility of the squad and the range synergises nicely with MMs. And you still have the LFPL free to take Morkai bolts via the Thane stratagem to give them a cheap source of rerolls too.
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Big fan of this and plan on trying it too. I'm leaning the old stand bys of las-cannons and missiles, but all the options sound useful.

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If you want to get cheeky, give the WGTPL a Storm Shield for 5pts along with the assault cannon.  1+/4++ to shrug off small arms fire. 



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Tricky one. By the time you have spent 40+ points on him, he just feels a bit to pricey to use as a bullet catcher.

Then again I suppose it depends on what you are facing. Against armoured targets, taking bullets for the MM Long Fangs could be worth it. Against horde targets, the SS might help him survive a little longer once the rest of the pack has fallen.
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Well, if the cherub trick has been used...
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One other way to get tricky with this combo is to give the WG TDA Pack Leader Master-Crafted on his Heavy Weapon.... that means you have either a Hvy 6 S6 AP-1 Dmg2 Assault Cannon, a Hvy 2 S8 AP-2 Dmg D6+1 Cyclone Missile Launcher,  or a Heavy D6 S5 Ap-1 Dmg2 Heavy Flamer, any of which can be used to shoot twice once in the game, if you have your Armourium Cherub still.

 

Dmg2 Assault Cannon is probably the most versatile, especially in the current 2W Marine meta, but having Krak Missiles with minimum 2 Dmg and average 4 Dmg each is pretty clutch as well, especially if you need to plink some finally wounds off a vehicle/monster/character that is more than 24" from your Long Fangs.


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One other way to get tricky with this combo is to give the WG TDA Pack Leader Master-Crafted on his Heavy Weapon.... that means you have either a Hvy 6 S6 AP-1 Dmg2 Assault Cannon, a Hvy 2 S8 AP-2 Dmg D6+1 Cyclone Missile Launcher, or a Heavy D6 S5 Ap-1 Dmg2 Heavy Flamer, any of which can be used to shoot twice once in the game, if you have your Armourium Cherub still.

Dmg2 Assault Cannon is probably the most versatile, especially in the current 2W Marine meta, but having Krak Missiles with minimum 2 Dmg and average 4 Dmg each is pretty clutch as well, especially if you need to plink some finally wounds off a vehicle/monster/character that is more than 24" from your Long Fangs.


Wasn't even thinking of master crafted assault cannons

That basically turns your 43 point terminator (gotta include SS) into a freaking baby leviathan dreadnought with dual storm cannons for a single turn

12 shots BS2 AP1 D2 using signum and cherub

I think the newly nerfed leviathan is 16 shots S7 AP1 D2

I really wanna add this combo to a list now
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Ok that's a fun idea

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Oh... Oh my...

Even a d2, d6+1 cyclone?
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I love the idea of a Wolf Guard hauling about what is effectively an Avenger Gatling Cannon. I can't tell if that is genius or broken. biggrin.png
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I love the idea of a Wolf Guard hauling about what is effectively an Avenger Gatling Cannon. I can't tell if that is genius or broken. biggrin.png

My thoughts exactly. I will be trying this out tomorrow I’m my 1250pt game vs Templars.

Edit: to make this happen do we only spend 1cp for thane of the retinue or 2 cp for thane and relic of chapter?

Edited by TheUnlikelyGamer84, 22 November 2020 - 11:26 PM.

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I love the idea of a Wolf Guard hauling about what is effectively an Avenger Gatling Cannon. I can't tell if that is genius or broken. biggrin.png

My thoughts exactly. I will be trying this out tomorrow I’m my 1250pt game vs Templars.

Edit: to make this happen do we only spend 1cp for thane of the retinue or 2 cp for thane and relic of chapter?
It merits an FAQ, but as best as I can tell Thane of the retinue only overrides the normal restriction on who can be given a relic. You still need to have a relic choice available, whether that's your freebie or from relic of the chapter.

Edited by Squark, 23 November 2020 - 02:09 AM.

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Yep, that's my take too.
1 for Thane,
Possibly +1 for an additional relic
I still can't wait to try these ideas out. I guess we'll have plenty to do after the apocalypse.




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