Not surprised to be honest. Many of the things they said I agree with, and I have had the unfortunate experience of.. experiencing? (there has to be a better term that that). That being said it seems like the way to go with competitive Grey Knight lists is to cram as much PL as you can and focus squarely on paladins + GMNDKS. Many of the lists I have under 110 PL seem to fall flat on the face, with ones above 110 holding their own. I found that we need to survive turn 1-2 after which we ramp up on points pretty quickly. Combine that with my previous assertion that we needed threats to protect the paladins + GMNDK's, and we are starting to see the picture here. Likewise, I also suspect the only reason they didn't put us in trash tier is because the demons are dominating the meta as they said - however, I doubt that fact very much.
Going forward, I'll re-say what the majority of you said, and personally take the time to curse at GW for not taking 5m to update our wounds or to write a 6 word sentence updating our wounds. That being said, what this list shows is that psilencers are the new meta, as well an eggs in one basket style lists (which admittedly, is what my lists were doing anyway). It also doesn't help us that abhor the witch completely screws us over and our chances of winning, hopefully the SANCTIC ASTARTES keyword is a fix to that rule, as I suspect it could be. Then there are the statistics - 27% winrate if we go second. Yikes. I knew our chances of winning if we went second weren't good, but not that low - but it makes sense. Without sanctuary, gates, armored going off first, we are playing 8th edition marines in a meta where everything does more than one damage with a lot of shots. While I think that convergence style lists could net us a victory, it is worth looking into escalation style lists. Marines can soak up a lot of damage, but not when it comes to mortal wounds, and that is something we can do like no other army. Perhaps we might see lists with three librarians capitalising on empyric channelling and unleashing purge soul/vortex of doom shenanigans, with purifiers included? Of course, we still have the problem of our marines being too brittle, and the options to carry them being not the most viable in a competitive scenario, so then we would have to dynamic insert a lot of things. Which then brings me to the last point - even with all this, what really kills us, is how fast we burn CP. Combine all those drawbacks together, and I think that about explains a lot of things to us. What strategems would you like to see get discounted?
With regards to his list there a few things I would change - redistribute inner fire to the apothecary, give an instance of First into the Fray to another character, such as a GMNDK, maybe drop the servitors and replace the apothecary with a paladin ancient.
Edited by Skywrath, 28 November 2020 - 02:13 PM.
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troops. (I say that in regards to normal SM troops) Our troops are just bad for the simple fact we don't have 3 wounds and 2 wounds on strikes respectively, like you mentioned Skywrath.
