Can you prove Aaron said that? And Aaron has been in fluff meetings with all the authors for the Horus Heresy, so he is reliable.
Buddy, the reason I didn't reply to you before, is that you said Aaron said something, and when I looked up the post to see for myself, I realized he likely meant no such thing. Yet you consistently ask people to "prove" every statement, without doing so yourself when challenged. I didn't believe you were here in good faith so I didn't consider you worth my time, and every post I've seen from you has validated that stance. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. You're asking for burden of proof as if this forum is a court of law, but it's a damn public forum discussing IP fiction. Sources can certainly help prove a point, sure, but what you've been doing is challenging everyone's claims without providing sources of your own, and it comes across as insincere and disrespectful. And the points you are trying to make are absolutist in regards to IP fiction, which... ok, bear with me, I'll get at that below.
The DAOT notion is from a character who was executed for stealing water.
The weapon out of its box from the DAoT theory is from Alan Bligh, and I'm pretty confident it was ADB, on these forums or elsewhere, who vectored the idea to us ahead of his book. ADB included it in MoM as an homage to his friend. I'm fairly confident it was ADB here, but like mc warhammer, I could not readily find a source, though if I had the time I might be able to. If you or any reader really wants to challenge themselves and go on a deep dive, try a forum search for user "A D-B" between 2014-2015 and just start reading. It's a lot of time that I don't have, but it might be there. It might not.* But it's probably still an interesting look at what's changed and what hasn't.
Otherwise, it could have been mentioned in person by Alan Bligh to fans at events, or maybe elsewhere somehow. I don't really want to get into that, though. I didn't have many opportunities to meet Alan Bligh in person, and of the few times I did have a chance, I was fairly drunk for at least one of them. But those interactions with Alan had a huge impact on how I view media, and personally, it feels morbid to try to find quotes relating to a dead man whose memory I try to respect (and I'm probably failing, right now), nor does it feel great to say "Alan Bligh said this thing but he's dead now so you can't check with him." It feels vile.
*And there is a real chance my memory is simply wrong. I was at the 2016 Weekender when MoM released, so I could have heard it there just before I read the book, though IIRC, it was also the ebook finale of the 2015 BL advent calendar, so I may have read it before that event? It's been a while! I started two businesses within two months of that weekender, and then more recently ended up a caregiver in a pandemic for a full year of social distancing, so it feels like an eternity ago now. I may have crossed some wires. It's happened before.
Another thought: I do know there is an internal "answer" to what's going on around the Emperor. Dan Abnett said as much in a recent arstechnica interview video. But even if there is a current internal answer to keep the story consistent as they work across 6 authors and 8 novels, that internal answer can itself change over time. It's not static. More stories could be set in and around the siege in the future that change our understanding even further, and those could deliberately re-muddy the waters. And Dan himself was clear that they endeavor to hide that internal answer so that we can still creatively interpret our escapist fiction.
That's the thing. There's nothing to prove in this IP fiction! Some reads are more likely and less likely given a text, but there is no actual, final, eternal truth or answer to most things with the way GW handles its IP. It is all made up, and new things can be made up at any time. I personally tend to see it as a range of probabilities, where the Emperor/Perpetual deep time take is the most likely, but I still look for other likelihoods. I love exploring things like the Rashomon effect, and how perception changes interpretation. That's why I'm here, on the B&C, reading all your takes! It's fascinating. But sometimes, especially the way this thread has been going, it's just exhausting to try to interact at all.
I've also been trying to better respect my own time by not typing up a wall of text to what is often just bait, only to see my efforts disregarded with a single, dismissive sentence or two. So I'm not doing as great there...
The Perpetuals are not from the DAOT.
I do not understand why that theory offends your sensibilities so much, or why you feel a burning need to tell me at every opportunity that it can't possibly work in this highly flexible IP.
Edited by LetsYouDown, 14 May 2021 - 02:07 AM.