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I'm surprised more people don't talk about Ignatum in this. Like, finally a Legio with personality again, and they outstrip Audax by a solid margin. They're every bit as grandiose and out-there as people who've been riding Titans to war for centuries ought to be.


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

How you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books?

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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?
 
It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?


How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

 

Many of us just block the Perpetuals from our minds when reading the siege books. One of the good things of the books is it gives enough of everything so people can focus on the aspects they enjoy ( tho abit more non palace centred Terra action would have been nice), i do it with a few BL books, i kinda forget/not focus on the b plots i dont care for and just carry on.


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

It's a meaningless fact.
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Was there...something...in the quoted post from Roomsky implying he didn't know about the argonaut thingamy? Am I missing it?

 

I'm like nagashee in this instance; if it's not particularly interesting to me I'll tend to gloss over or forget it. If it weren't for this thread I'd be blissfully unaware of Ol's questing for wool.

 
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Roomsky said Theseus was apparently real since Oll Persson meets him while time traveling and was an old friend of his. That is to be expected since Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts.

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Was there...something...in the quoted post from Roomsky implying he didn't know about the argonaut thingamy? Am I missing it?

I'm like nagashee in this instance; if it's not particularly interesting to me I'll tend to gloss over or forget it. If it weren't for this thread I'd be blissfully unaware of Ol's questing for wool.


You can find Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts on Lexicanum. People bring up Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts to show he is Christian even though he was around before Christ.

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Was there...something...in the quoted post from Roomsky implying he didn't know about the argonaut thingamy? Am I missing it?
 
I'm like nagashee in this instance; if it's not particularly interesting to me I'll tend to gloss over or forget it. If it weren't for this thread I'd be blissfully unaware of Ol's questing for wool.

 


You can find Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts on Lexicanum. People often bring up Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts to show he is Christian even though he was around before Christ.

 

Not doubting that, I just don't know if Roomsky ever doubted it?


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Was there...something...in the quoted post from Roomsky implying he didn't know about the argonaut thingamy? Am I missing it?

I'm like nagashee in this instance; if it's not particularly interesting to me I'll tend to gloss over or forget it. If it weren't for this thread I'd be blissfully unaware of Ol's questing for wool.

You can find Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts on Lexicanum. People often bring up Oll Persson being one of Jason's Argonauts to show he is Christian even though he was around before Christ.
Not doubting that, I just don't know if Roomsky ever doubted it?

That is what it appeared to be with what I said and him sending me a rating.

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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?
 
It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?


How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

 

 

What a strange question.

 

I found it annoying because in Know no Fear it was just an allusion to something we, the reader were familiar with. Travelling with Jason and his Argonauts did not necessarily mean that the story went as it had in contemporary tellings of that myth, or that all Greek myths were true. Now we have confirmation that a whole bunch of :cuss totally, actually existed and happened. All that was confirmed before is that Jason had his Argonauts, and Oll was among them. It did not confirm the myth of Theseus, or the minotaur, etc.

 

I always liked to imagine Oll as a bloke who brushed up against big events here and there, rather than how supremely important he's becoming now. In Know no Fear it was up to the reader how significant Oll's history was. Now we're confirming myths and putting him front and centre of all sorts of things and I find it irritating.


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I always liked to imagine Oll as a bloke who brushed up against big events here and there, rather than how supremely important he's becoming now. In Know no Fear it was up to the reader how significant Oll's history was. Now we're confirming myths and putting him front and centre of all sorts of things and I find it irritating.

 

 

At least French has now tied Oll into the main story that actually matters. One of the big positives in Mortis.


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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

What a strange question.

I found it annoying because in Know no Fear it was just an allusion to something we, the reader were familiar with. Travelling with Jason and his Argonauts did not necessarily mean that the story went as it had in contemporary tellings of that myth, or that all Greek myths were true. Now we have confirmation that a whole bunch of :cuss totally, actually existed and happened. All that was confirmed before is that Jason had his Argonauts, and Oll was among them. It did not confirm the myth of Theseus, or the minotaur, etc.

I always liked to imagine Oll as a bloke who brushed up against big events here and there, rather than how supremely important he's becoming now. In Know no Fear it was up to the reader how significant Oll's history was. Now we're confirming myths and putting him front and centre of all sorts of things and I find it irritating.
Oll Persson came across the sirens with Jason's Argonauts. And he implied the sirens were warp entities. So his time with Jason's Argonauts happens roughly the way it did in the myths.

Have you read Mark of Calth? There are a few major lines for Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts. That is where the lines for the sirens are from. The sirens were real and were warp entities.

Thanks for the talk

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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?

It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

What a strange question.

I found it annoying because in Know no Fear it was just an allusion to something we, the reader were familiar with. Travelling with Jason and his Argonauts did not necessarily mean that the story went as it had in contemporary tellings of that myth, or that all Greek myths were true. Now we have confirmation that a whole bunch of censored.gif totally, actually existed and happened. All that was confirmed before is that Jason had his Argonauts, and Oll was among them. It did not confirm the myth of Theseus, or the minotaur, etc.

I always liked to imagine Oll as a bloke who brushed up against big events here and there, rather than how supremely important he's becoming now. In Know no Fear it was up to the reader how significant Oll's history was. Now we're confirming myths and putting him front and centre of all sorts of things and I find it irritating.

Oll Persson came across the sirens with Jason's Argonauts. And he implied the sirens were warp entities. So his time with Jason's Argonauts happens roughly the way it did in the myths.

Have you read Mark of Calth? There are a few major lines for Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts. That is where the lines for the sirens are from. The sirens were real and were warp entities.

Thanks for the talk

 

 

Serious question: did you actually read what Roomsky said? And do you not see the problem with stating that "he implied the sirens were warp entities" in one sentence and then going on to say that "the sirens were real and were warp entities" immediately afterwards? That doesn't quite meet the definition for a "basic fact", & as KnF came before MoC, his point(s) stand.


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i'm coming around to thinking that there are all sort of spectrums to understanding conversation on the internet as well as various barriers (like language etc).  something i need to remind myself to be more aware of.

 

as for the point, i agree broadly with roomsky. i preferred that our irl mythological past was ambiguous in the 40k universe, this just opens up a can of worms as to how much mythology actually happened (is "journey to the west" real in 40k too? the iliad? camelot?). i think if it has to be, then tying those myths to the warp makes a certain amount of sense, even if i'm not a huge fan of it. it can make sense, i just don't know if it was needed.


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The whole “should perpetuals have been present for real world events in history only vs present for myths and legends from our real world” is interesting.

Until reading the last few posts I was very much of the “perpetuals present at real historical events is cool/makes sense but lets get the balance right and have a higher proportion between 2,021AD and 30,000AD”

But as myths and legends are often extrapolated (and made more fantastical) from real life events AND are often allegorical to explain or preach a certain POV or moral dilemma, I can see how linking to the warp and saying “wow those myths were real afterall” is also kinda neat (if a little eye rolling).
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So, any of you fine people read Mortis?
It's the fifth Siege of Terra book and I really liked it. Most seem to disagree though. Thoughts?

How come you did not know Oll Persson was one of Jason's Argonauts in older books? That is a basic fact when it concerns the Perpetuals.

What a strange question.
I found it annoying because in Know no Fear it was just an allusion to something we, the reader were familiar with. Travelling with Jason and his Argonauts did not necessarily mean that the story went as it had in contemporary tellings of that myth, or that all Greek myths were true. Now we have confirmation that a whole bunch of :cuss totally, actually existed and happened. All that was confirmed before is that Jason had his Argonauts, and Oll was among them. It did not confirm the myth of Theseus, or the minotaur, etc.
I always liked to imagine Oll as a bloke who brushed up against big events here and there, rather than how supremely important he's becoming now. In Know no Fear it was up to the reader how significant Oll's history was. Now we're confirming myths and putting him front and centre of all sorts of things and I find it irritating.

Oll Persson came across the sirens with Jason's Argonauts. And he implied the sirens were warp entities. So his time with Jason's Argonauts happens roughly the way it did in the myths.
Have you read Mark of Calth? There are a few major lines for Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts. That is where the lines for the sirens are from. The sirens were real and were warp entities.
Thanks for the talk
 
Serious question: did you actually read what Roomsky said? And do you not see the problem with stating that "he implied the sirens were warp entities" in one sentence and then going on to say that "the sirens were real and were warp entities" immediately afterwards? That doesn't quite meet the definition for a "basic fact", & as KnF came before MoC, his point(s) stand.

I did. He said Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts might not have went the way it did in the myths.

And Oll Persson's line for the sirens makes it almost certain they were warp entities.

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 Serious question: did you actually read what Roomsky said? And do you not see the problem with stating that "he implied the sirens were warp entities" in one sentence and then going on to say that "the sirens were real and were warp entities" immediately afterwards? That doesn't quite meet the definition for a "basic fact", & as KnF came before MoC, his point(s) stand.

I did. He said Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts might not have went the way it did in the myths.

And Oll Persson's line for the sirens makes it almost certain they were warp entities.

 

Well you should try reading it again, because that is not at all what was said. Roomsky stated that it was just an allusion at the time Know no Fear was published, and that it was the change from ambiguity to certainty - the latter being the very thing that you yourself are relentlessly defending, despite nobody questioning it - which he took issue with. If you're going to relentlessly quote people here and in AOD in an attempt to propagate your views, maybe read posts more closely, or at least clarify things first...

 

FWIW, I agree with him.


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Serious question: did you actually read what Roomsky said? And do you not see the problem with stating that "he implied the sirens were warp entities" in one sentence and then going on to say that "the sirens were real and were warp entities" immediately afterwards? That doesn't quite meet the definition for a "basic fact", & as KnF came before MoC, his point(s) stand.

I did. He said Oll Persson's time with Jason's Argonauts might not have went the way it did in the myths.
And Oll Persson's line for the sirens makes it almost certain they were warp entities.
Well you should try reading it again, because that is not at all what was said. Roomsky stated that it was just an allusion at the time Know no Fear was published, and that it was the change from ambiguity to certainty - the latter being the very thing that you yourself are relentlessly defending, despite nobody questioning it - which he took issue with. If you're going to relentlessly quote people here and in AOD in an attempt to propagate your views, maybe read posts more closely, or at least clarify things first...

FWIW, I agree with him.


I am sorry for that. And do we know when the next Siege of Terra book will be out?

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nobody's entirely sure, mate...though there's some indication on amazon that it'll be august. there's a thread dedicated to "warhawk" if you'd like to post about it there.

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I am sorry for that. And do we know when the next Siege of Terra book will be out?

 

 

No hard feelings involved, I'm sure. The Perpetual discussion probably deserves it's own thread though - I certainly have no real interest in the topic.

 

The Warhawk release date on Amazon has been bumped to October 12, so it'll probably be available to order off GW 1-2 weeks in advance. The initial release was listed for early August, maybe we'll see the LE around then.


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I am sorry for that. And do we know when the next Siege of Terra book will be out?

 
No hard feelings involved, I'm sure. The Perpetual discussion probably deserves it's own thread though - I certainly have no real interest in the topic.
 
The Warhawk release date on Amazon has been bumped to October 12, so it'll probably be available to order off GW 1-2 weeks in advance. The initial release was listed for early August, maybe we'll see the LE around then.

I want to see what Dan Abnett will do with Oll Persson in the last book.

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i'm coming around to thinking that there are all sort of spectrums to understanding conversation on the internet as well as various barriers (like language etc).  something i need to remind myself to be more aware of.

 

as for the point, i agree broadly with roomsky. i preferred that our irl mythological past was ambiguous in the 40k universe, this just opens up a can of worms as to how much mythology actually happened (is "journey to the west" real in 40k too? the iliad? camelot?). i think if it has to be, then tying those myths to the warp makes a certain amount of sense, even if i'm not a huge fan of it. it can make sense, i just don't know if it was needed.

Well, I believe Garro is wielding non other then Excalibur, aka Libertas.  The Golden Fleece seems not so far fetch.  


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i'm coming around to thinking that there are all sort of spectrums to understanding conversation on the internet as well as various barriers (like language etc).  something i need to remind myself to be more aware of.

 

as for the point, i agree broadly with roomsky. i preferred that our irl mythological past was ambiguous in the 40k universe, this just opens up a can of worms as to how much mythology actually happened (is "journey to the west" real in 40k too? the iliad? camelot?). i think if it has to be, then tying those myths to the warp makes a certain amount of sense, even if i'm not a huge fan of it. it can make sense, i just don't know if it was needed.

Well, I believe Garro is wielding non other then Excalibur, aka Libertas.  The Golden Fleece seems not so far fetch.  

 

ah true, i'd forgotten that.

 

there's probably something in making the world of 40k our world if myths were real, you could make a case for chaos or the warp always having its claws in terra from the early days through those legends.

 

i actually reckon french would be the man to do something like that justice.


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The best part of this book that I haven't seen anyone comment on is the closing exchange between Dorn and Corswain, where Dorn is expecting a full-scale 1st Legion deployment only to realise, ''nope, this is it. There is no one else coming.'' It transforms the mood of the Siege from a strategic game of stall and delay into a doomed last stand.  This is like the orcs spilling into Minas Tirith or the Romans breaking into Carthage. It sets up the final notes of the Siege quite nicely: chamber-by-chamber fighting on His finest rugs, Sig donning the black, the Khan riding out one last time, Sang defending his father's final citadel, the Emperor's last roll of the dice and so on


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